World Tranquility for another Week

[scottishmoney]

[Paint Your Wagon]

PYW you are preaching to the choir here.  I was raised by my Gram, and she grew up during the depression.  Yep, it is happening all over again.  All these false optimisms etc.  Deflation is already happening on a huge scale, from petrol, metals, property value etc. 

I looked at a larger house when I got back from Ukraine.  But then I thought... why buy it now?  The price will go down at least by a third in the next year so just wait til then, surely it won't sell in this cruddy economy.

This is probably one of the best decisions of your life

PS on all the forums I read the choir is now only about 6 people ; all the others left having no stomach for the up and downs or just sold out to 20% intrest payments
( I mean promissed payments ) on GM bonds

[Paint Your Wagon]

Perth mint stops selling untill january
Poor dears are overworked
How Come ?? I read somewhere that when gold started to rise from 250 onwards they were making twice as many coins without problems
Could it be they leased or sold forward their gold again and since gold refuses to go down they have none left and can't get their own back ?


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24687337-643,00.html

[Paint Your Wagon]

With the sharp stock-market decline for Citigroup rapidly becoming a full-blown crisis of confidence, the company’s executives on Friday entered into talks with federal officials about how to stabilize the struggling financial giant.

Citigroup received 25 billion in octobre
I want some more please .............a lot more please.............

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/business/22citi.html?_r=1

[scottishmoney]

Citigroup received 25 billion in octobre
I want some more please .............a lot more please.............

Why not?  Heck, the Fed keeps pumping blood money into AIG, of course to no avail.

[longnine009]

Citigroup received 25 billion in octobre
I want some more please .............a lot more please.............

Why not?  Heck, the Fed keeps pumping blood money into AIG, of course to no avail.

How odd then that Goldman Sachs just happens to have a 20 billion dollar stake in AIG.

Conjob-digress ("congress")  balks  at bailing out auto makers. Screw ups as they are, they are no worse than this rape and plunder whose boots they are licking.

And how fascinating is it that auto makers in china are discussing buying out GM alliances and GM plants in china.  How much of a leap would it be to buy out GM period? That, IMO, is what the traitors in conjob-disgress Inc  are waiting to find out. They wouldn't want to impose government "entanglements" on  GM if their masters in china want to buy up the whole company.

                                    GOT ROPE? 

[scottishmoney]

Shanghai GM is the only component of GM that is actually making money, but with the downturn in the economy in China that may be a thing of the past soon.  As bad as conditions are in the USA right now, it is actually much worse in China at the moment.  Thousands of factories, small and large, have been shut down with resultant layoffs of hundreds of thousands of workers because of declining orders from USA firms.

The one area where China excels though, the government is flush with cash, and so are the financial institutions there.

[longnine009]

The one area where China excels though, the government is flush with cash, and so are the financial institutions there.

But we have a  secret weapon. 

http://www.knightsofthecointable.com/kotctgallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2617&g2_navId=x12c2ea57

[scottishmoney]

Jaysus, dang near scared the dung outta me wi' that narsty apparition.

[TwoShadows]

I caught part of a program on PBS last night and they were touting gold and silver big time. One speaker, sorry I forgot his name, is predicting record highs in gold and silver in the near future. He said, "If you can find it....buy it!" One thing is for certain it won't go pop over night like the stock market and it is a hard asset. He advised NOT to buy paper as those days may well be ending. As for me, well I have called my coin dealer and advised him to hold on to any Eagles he had in stock until I can get down there next week. He agreed to take care of me! I asked about gold and that didn't look good at this time. Only one piece in stock (twenty dollar St. Gaudens in a VF to XF) but still floating above the $800 mark. Guess I will take my chances with silver for now! I see others are looking into copper bars (I have a few), aluminum bars and tin bars? While I see copper as precious metal when did tin enter the mix?

[Goose]

You couldn't see it coming T S? Tin entered the mix when a slew of businesses approached the guv'ment with their tin cups begging for handouts. The tin commodity in the metals market is expected to skyrocket shortly.

[scottishmoney]

Good luck finding gold and not paying an exorbitant premium for it.  Usually markups of at least $100 and as much as $200 for an ounce are not uncommon.  Even the despised Krugerrand goes for a premium these days.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Belgium because of its historical structure with money exchangers buying and selling gold is the cheapest place in Europe to get gold
german and french come by hispeed train to buy gold here
Yesterdays price was buy at spot plus 4.7% and sell at spot plus 8.4% all XF or better

It is still only the rich buying ( cause 2 half ounces still go less the a full ounce go and figure )
It will only be when quarter and half ounces carry premiums over full ounces that we start cooking

I still find proof half ounces or odd weight coins at or below melt on the half dozen ebays
For the moment there are like 5000 items on sale of which 50 are intresting

[Paint Your Wagon]

Exchange agents are open on Sundays too so attached are current prices
( American coin prices , they only buy they do not sell but to american agents )


http://www.munters.be/servlet/javaparser?pgm=lst_or_new&lg=nl

[scottishmoney]

CitiGroup creates another Sunday Surprise, it is failing.

Gold is up in Asia already.

[Paint Your Wagon]

CitiGroup creates another Sunday Surprise, it is failing.

Gold is up in Asia already.

Oh no
They make it out as if Citi got only 20 billion but they really got
326 billion since their toxic waste at marked to model is worth close to zero at marked to market 

[Paint Your Wagon]

There was a forecast for 2 Trillion unfunded shortfall in 2009 up to a few weeks ago
Obama may raise this to never seen heights
Rolling  rolling  rolling get them presses roling Rawhide
Will GM survive till 20 januari : next in the unfolding story .............

The incoming administration may also enlarge the $700 billion financial-rescue fund enacted last month. It may surge to perhaps $1.2 trillion, said Martin Baily

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=avkILynvOGiw&refer=home

[scottishmoney]

At some point there will not be enough money to pay for all this, well unless they get the printing presses rolling like Zimbabwe.

[Paint Your Wagon]

The last chart I saw the US indebness was 5 times their Bruto National Product GDP I think they call it now
Belgium at one time was at 160% and it took ten painfull years to get close to the euro norm of 70%

[scottishmoney]

Confidence is sexxay:

[Paint Your Wagon]

Confidence is sexxay:

Yep
ebayers do not read these charts so I got two austrian coins at 7% below melt at the moment of purchase this morning
also i decided to live dangerously and got 18 000 Durban Deep shares before New York opens in about an hours time

[Paint Your Wagon]

The US is prepared to lend 7.4 Trillion
Ok now we are getting at least the last word right cause they will need 250 to 500 trillion before this is over


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home

[longnine009]

Why are the stooges trying to save Citigroup?   I didn't know the Sach lickers had a stake  in them?

[longnine009]

The US is prepared to lend 7.4 Trillion
Ok now we are getting at least the last word right cause they will need 250 to 500 trillion before this is over


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home

They'll have to do the Zimbabwe  Bop for that much money.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Well they count on their friends from Japan and China and the UK and all Central banks 

[Paint Your Wagon]

" Where you can allways screw a taxpayer"
The guy who photoshopped this has a sense of humour
The original add was for chubby dating ( male/male )

[Paint Your Wagon]

Turkey wanted 20 to 40 billion and they get 19 from the IMF
The games are on ; you have to ask double what you need

Source is flemish
http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/buitenland/Turkije_vraagt_krediet_aan_IMF.8109121-439.art

[scottishmoney]

Pretty soon they are going to be asking for $20B and getting nothing.  The money is going to run out.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Pretty soon they are going to be asking for $20B and getting nothing.  The money is going to run out.

Helicopter Ben will print

7.7 Trillion and counting
They are slowly getting to my 250 Trillion figure (minimum) and maybe up to a quadrillion

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home

[longnine009]

Big bubbles, no trouble.

The Zimbabwe Bopper

Toxic lice  and a shiny skin head
And a printing press on over load
Pig  waddle in the walk marked
to model,  you can't  short
Oh baby that's a what they like!
There ain't nothing in the world like a
pig face banker, act so funny, steal
taxpayers  money
Make me feel real loose,
wanna get the noose ...

ROPE!!!!!!: Oh baby that's a what I like.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Darling thinks 6 years of pain will be all : poor Darling

Taxpayers face six years of austerity, paying for the consequences of recession and a £20bn fiscal stimulus unveiled on Monday by Alistair Darling as he detailed the most dismal Budget outlook seen since 1993.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4a9f5776-ba36-11dd-92c9-0000779fd18c.html

[Paint Your Wagon]

Who will save the FED ?


Has the Fed Mortgaged Its Own Future?
By: JACK WILLOUGHBY
 
The fed's highly leveraged balance sheet will make it hard to fight inflation.

IF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK WERE A COMMERCIAL LENDER, it would be a candidate for receivership, based on its capital ratios. Bank examiners generally view any lender with a ratio below 2% to be dangerously undercapitalized. The Fed's current capital ratio, or capital as a percentage of assets, is 1.9%.

The Fed also created special lines for London offices of primary U.S. government dealers after the Bank of England cut off its short-term lending to them because Lehman Brothers repatriated $8 billion to New York from London just before its bankruptcy filing.

[longnine009]

The best thing that could ever happen to the universe  is for the federal reserve to eat a bullet.

I saw it all this morning when I was on the way to cash what my employer insists is a  pay check. A guy standing out in front of his house frantically waving a sign:  "HOUSE/OFFICE FOR SALE BEST OFFER."

Used to see bums before with signs that said "Will work for food." They didn't actually want to work for food or do any work at all, it was just a way of end running the pan handling laws. BTW, just in case anyone asks the difference between a bum today and hobo in the last depression is that the hobos traveled around and did whatever work they could find and then got drunk. While today they just get drunk. But you don't even see the bums  anymore with their signs. Now it's "astute investors" trying to un-load  their over priced dirt bag ranch on a greater fool. Too bad thought, the fools never had the money, just credit, and now that's gone. Keep waving pal.

Passed  Circut City on the way to the bank. They're eating a bullet too and no bail out. Isn't it funny, GM and Circuit City and probably anyone else who actually produces or sells a real product get no help. But people selling psychotically induced hallucinations can't get money fast enough from the fed or treasury.

And speaking of hallucinations, then I went to Burger King for lunch and who did they have on the T.V? CNN giving coverage to &!@*&?@  Paulson!! I swear to god, in the last thirty years I don't think I even knew who the treasury secretary  was in this country. Now every day I wonder if this will be the day they give him a piss test.

[scottishmoney]

Today at the bank I asked for $2 bills with my withdrawal for the week.  I got $30 of them, all they had.  Including 5 consecutive $2 bills that were stamped and postmarked on April 13th 1976, the 1st day of issue here in my little burg of the world.

Someone had held onto those for 32 years, but had to spend them recently.  That is what is on the horizon in a much larger scale for many many more people.

[longnine009]

Indeed, especially since nothing at will change with Tim Geithner.  It's like firing Spanky and putting Alfalfa in charge.  Although I suppose an Alfalfa like hair spike  would be  different. 

[longnine009]

To: Henry  Paulson
Secretary of Treasury.

From: Longnine009
Slacker in Florida

Subject: Toxic investment

 Hank, it appears that I made a bad investment last month that was suppose to pay off for 34 million but instead paid zero. I'm not too sure what kind of investment it was but it was suppose to go to build schools for the chee-drins in Flawduh. So I guess that makes it a mortgage backed security. Here's a scan of the instrument:

http://www.knightsofthecointable.com/kotctgallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2631&g2_navId=x8456ace1

I would appreciate if you would take this swill off my hands, claim that's it's not swill at all but a good investment for taxpayers and issue me a treasury check for $34 million.

You probably think  it was irresponsible of me to make this investment but it was really just a stress related mistake. The stress mostly being that I don't own a really Capital looking private jet such as a Beech-Hawker. Most astute investors my age not only own a private jet and helicopter but they've even done some time on  Rikers island.

It's stressful enough not being a white collar felon, but to go to the Pimp & Whore party every year on commercial airlines is just too much.

A really Capital looking Beech Hawker that I can buy for about $30 million, I guess, would go along way to reducing my stress levels and prevent even greater mistakes in the future. Like for example accidentally giving out your cell phone number to the Momgambo Guru.


I'm certain that I've suffered enough with all this Hank. Please proceed with dispatch and issue me that treasury check.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Dear Slacker in Florida

Your terminology is getting dated
Up to the beginning of the year they called them Russian Escorts . Now they call them ill advised singlez with multiple multimillion dollar mortgages
Allthoug there is relief on the way .
Allso be advised that jets like the big three automakers are flying are soooo passé . what you need now is a submarine with a large front deck that can double as a sunbathing deck . This is discrete and very practical since you will be spending most of your remaining life underwater .

Are you sure you meant 30 Million cause the requests we are getting are usually for Billions
Once this is clarified the money will be printed .

Yours hardworking threehundredandtwentythird assistant secretary to the assistant secretary of the assistant of Paulsons printing department assistant supervisor

[longnine009]

Well the mortgage back security said millions but it must've been a typo. Thirty-four  billion sounds about right. Yes I'm sure that's what they really meant.

Are you certain today's astute investors are riding around in submarines? It could be a problem attacking other people on one of those. The other people won't be tax payers and they'll probably shoot back won't they?

[Paint Your Wagon]

Well the mortgage back security said millions but it must've been a typo. Thirty-four  billion sounds about right. Yes I'm sure that's what they really meant.

Are you certain today's astute investors are riding around in submarines? It could be a problem attacking other people on one of those. The other people won't be tax payers and they'll probably shoot back won't they?

well for a little extra money you can buy the option of 12 missiles each carrying 4 nuke warheads ; the stealth option also comes in handy
the standard equipment is four torpedo launchers and of course the deck gun
german RAL grey is the norm but again for a little extra you can have midnight blue

PS it is difficult to shoot at something underwater
PS2 we will aifreight you the 32 Billion the cost of the delivery will be 1 Trillion so keep that amount at hand

[Paint Your Wagon]

Obama cheap
Only a few microns of goldplate
http://cgi.ebay.fr/BARACK-OBAMA-1-DOLLAR-Washington-OR-PLAQUE-2007_W0QQitemZ250332773237QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFR_GW_Pi%C3%A8cesMonde?hash=item250332773237&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[longnine009]

Well the mortgage back security said millions but it must've been a typo. Thirty-four  billion sounds about right. Yes I'm sure that's what they really meant.

Are you certain today's astute investors are riding around in submarines? It could be a problem attacking other people on one of those. The other people won't be tax payers and they'll probably shoot back won't they?

well for a little extra money you can buy the option of 12 missiles each carrying 4 nuke warheads ; the stealth option also comes in handy
the standard equipment is four torpedo launchers and of course the deck gun
german RAL grey is the norm but again for a little extra you can have midnight blue

PS it is difficult to shoot at something underwater
PS2 we will aifreight you the 32 Billion the cost of the delivery will be 1 Trillion so keep that amount at hand

That sounds a lot better. So I can just hide somewhere and demand tribute from an entire country and the alternative  "will only be worse" if they don't pay up? I wonder why no one has ever thought about holding an entire economy hostage like that? 

[longnine009]

Obama cheap
Only a few microns of goldplate
http://cgi.ebay.fr/BARACK-OBAMA-1-DOLLAR-Washington-OR-PLAQUE-2007_W0QQitemZ250332773237QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFR_GW_Pi%C3%A8cesMonde?hash=item250332773237&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Why not just brass plate. That's the closet fake there is to gold.

[Paint Your Wagon]

I really wonder who made an Obama goldplate that fast

In the meantime the FED started monetizing finally


http://www.newsneconomics.com/2008/11/its-official-fed-is-monetizing.html

[Paint Your Wagon]

On taking hostages
If Russia or China or a few billionaires decide to take delivery on gold futures from the Crimex ( I mean Comex) that will be the end of the paper gold game
If China or Japan or England or FCB 's decide not to buy Trashuries any more that will be the end of the game too

So yes if you have one Trillion in useless paper you can hold hostage a country or make it default

[TwoShadows]

Heard a fellow this morning on TV recommending we buy stock in printing ink. Seems the Fed is going to be using a lot of it and, now that I think of it, printer ink for my printer beside my computer is only about $1,500 a gallon. This guy might be wiser than I think!

The Obama dollar is nothing more than a decal stuck on a Sackie or one of the fancy new Presidential dollars. If there is any gold involved it wouldn't be worth the purchase price but everyone knows a fool and his money are soon parted.

[longnine009]

On taking hostages
If Russia or China or a few billionaires decide to take delivery on gold futures from the Crimex ( I mean Comex) that will be the end of the paper gold game
If China or Japan or England or FCB 's decide not to buy Trashuries any more that will be the end of the game too

So yes if you have one Trillion in useless paper you can hold hostage a country or make it default

And if I shave my head and claim to be a banker I won't be charged with being a terrorist.

[longnine009]

Heard a fellow this morning on TV recommending we buy stock in printing ink. Seems the Fed is going to be using a lot of it and, now that I think of it, printer ink for my printer beside my computer is only about $1,500 a gallon. This guy might be wiser than I think!

The Obama dollar is nothing more than a decal stuck on a Sackie or one of the fancy new Presidential dollars. If there is any gold involved it wouldn't be worth the purchase price but everyone knows a fool and his money are soon parted.

The big returns will be with wheel barrows.  Everyone  will need one  to go get a box of eggs or a loaf of bread.  And we can get them cheap now from bankrupt construction companies.

I don't want to say too many bad things about Obama just yet. But I think it's really suspect that he would have Paul Volcker on his economic advisory panel.  Why would Obama want anything to do with a  real fed chief and fiscal conservative?  I think Volcker is just a window ornament to  mitigate the fear of wheel barrows.

[scottishmoney]

Some of us saved ourselves the indignities of the wheelbarrow scenario...

We'll just plop a silver quarter down on the counter for the loaf of bread, and not bring the scrap paper that everybody else has.

[longnine009]

"Vhat is this criminal money you have here? Vhere is your vheelbarrow and your papers?" 

Geithner: CFR, Bilderberg, Gang of twenty (G20) and the clown that was calling for a global financial regulatory network.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Heard a fellow this morning on TV recommending we buy stock in printing ink. Seems the Fed is going to be using a lot of it and, now that I think of it, printer ink for my printer beside my computer is only about $1,500 a gallon. This guy might be wiser than I think!

The Obama dollar is nothing more than a decal stuck on a Sackie or one of the fancy new Presidential dollars. If there is any gold involved it wouldn't be worth the purchase price but everyone knows a fool and his money are soon parted.

First I read somewhere that the printing of the last batch of Weimar billion dollar notes was invoiced by the printer for one quintillion dmarks
1.000.000.000.000.000 .000 something like this
In the last days of Mobutu belgian congo zaire we were flying a boeing with 20 tons of banknotes to pay his army every day

The Obama dollar has like 5 micron goldplate which probably is worth 5$
I am now roaming ebay with a dozen exclusion strings and still coming up with crap ( they are so inventive in naming their new crap )

[Paint Your Wagon]

current price of gold over spot

http://www.tulving.com/New%20Pages/buying_bullion_coins.html

[Paint Your Wagon]

The Russians or what is left of them are taking their revenge
They say the US will have a civil war and fall apart
Reference is in German

MOSKAU, 25. November (RIA Novosti). Einen Bürgerkrieg in den USA und einen anschließenden Zerfall des Landes in mehrere Teile hat der russische Experte Igor Panarin prognostiziert.

[TwoShadows]

I don't think we can afford another war, even if it is CIVIL! Guess it would be easier just to fence in the large cities and call them prisons as that is where most of our problems and financial brains tend to flock together. They need the smog to keep their brain cells working ass backwards. One thing is for certain, there is smoke on the horizon the media has not seen yet. They are still being spoon fed by the filthy rich with large doses of financial propoganda.
It still amazes me the powers that be think the answer is to give billions to the very people that caused all these problems? Stupidity in its finest hour!!!

[longnine009]

Every thing that's been happening in the U.S since bush lite got in has been classic PRS--Problem, Reaction, Solution to control people. Isn't it odd that government "solutions" always center around more control and more intrusion. This so called financial "crisis" was allowed to happen and wasn't hard to see coming. The "crisis"  and Geithner are going to be the final push for One Big Brother Global Government. What an amazing coindence that Geithner put out his "urgent" alarm for a one world banking system right after attending the 2008 Bilderpuke meeting.

That's the smoke on the horizon--Zombies VS. people who'd rather think and live for themselves.

If the Zombies win then the Soviet Union is the one who really won the cold war, not "The Gipper"  as formally supposed. Or perhaps we could go back even further and say the Nazi finally won the war.

Call me paranoid, we are surrounded by traitors in this country from top to bottom.  Can you say United Sachs of the World without blowing up your lunch? 

[Paint Your Wagon]

I was allways amazed at the hierarchy of "wants" in the human life according to polls with pigmen
And I am not talking Skinner here because he makes sense
If I remember right Skinner said first food then a roof then leisure then recognition of personal value etc

But on the pigmens diet it is POWER and then MONEY and then WOMAN
They may find out that the only ultimate power is to kill and be killed in return

[longnine009]

Maybe we'll get lucky and their wives will kill them and save the world. Well they're doing that anyway aren't they, only in slow motion. Come on babes, speed up a bit. 

What I find amazing is the very problems they site as the reasons they need more power and control and ENDLESS INTRUSIONS INTO PEOPLES' LIVES are the very problems they caused. Then they walk around like: Who us? Geee, we're just  bankers, we didn't know if we lowered the interest rates to near zero we would get a credit bubble followed by a collapse.

                               Hang 'em. Hang 'em all!

[Paint Your Wagon]

yes Sheakspeare should be altered
100 lawyers at the bottom of the sea is not a good beginning anymore
100 banksters at the bottom of the sea is a good beginning 

[Paint Your Wagon]

How cruel we europeans are
a quarter of the bankers will get NO bonusses

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQ7IZDEFNxkk&refer=home

[longnine009]

Indeed, the Ballet of Chestnuts Era is drawing to a close, only instead of going forward from the feudal ages to the Renaissance we're going in reverse, from the Renaissance back the the feudal ages.

I'll bet the Goldman and JP Morgan boys will get their bonuses and Ballet though. There's still stock holders there that they can suck from.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Ah I had a good evening getting a 1967 20$ canadian MS63 for melt and two more Helvetica's a little above melt
Paid for by selling some Anglogold paper shares 
I think that goldbuying days are coming to an end
We will not need till 2011 like Sinclair says to see the enormous changes . He never specified what they are but I can imagine'

[longnine009]

Sounds like he's speaking of the average  18-24  months it takes for inflation to get through the pipeline. I wonder if it will really take that long this time  the way they're cranking out wallpaper today. 

[Paint Your Wagon]

They only started monetizing recently
And sofar the sinking oilprices are an immidiate deflator

Normally it takes like four to 6 quarters for inflation to take root
But in view of the massive imports versus the small exports inflation could come in a month or two after providers
decide they want more dollars

http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/2008/11/26/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink-2/

[longnine009]

In the U.S it could come shortly after Obama  puts his Neighbor Hood nosy hole network into effect. 

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” he said.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=33752

I would think it'll take an awful lot of dollars to match U.S military might especially when the "force" is a bunch of Prozac zombies who can't run their own lives but think they should be running everyone else's.  They'll have to repeat the classes at the Re-education center about 400 times. And then they'll be the cost of those  brown shirts. Gotta have some sharp looking brown shirts and jack boots. And "little red books. Oh God! We have to have little red books. With a  Mao image in gold leaf.   

"We are on the verge of a global
transformation.  All we need is the right
crisis and the nations will accept the
the New World Order."

David Rockefeller--The original traitor and Mao lover

[Paint Your Wagon]

what was the name of that song again
"he is a dreamer and he is not the only one" was it a Beatles song ?

[longnine009]

Could it be Sleepy Jean?

 "Cheer up, sleepy jean.
Oh, what can it mean.
To a daydream believer
And a homecoming queen" [little Ben?]

Monkeys  [Indeed]

Ooooh, ooooh here's Hank:

"You once thought of me
As a white knight on a steed.
Now you know how happy I can be.
Oh, and our good times starts and end
Without dollar one to spend.
But how much, baby, do we really need."

Monkeys

Wallstreet was up again today. Guess they were impressed with how peppy the zombies are. Too bad someone lost their life. It's a perfect example of the collective madness "that could never happen here." 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/28/Man_trampled_to_death_in_Black_Friday_rush/UPI-55071227889455/

[TwoShadows]

I spent most of the day buying "HARD" assets! The kind I take possession of and I decide when to sell. I am not paying a middle man to make me or break me! I can do that myself. Broke down and located some Aussie silver Koala's at a fair price with free shipping, seeing how the Perth Mint has frozen mass production. Manged to locate a couple of Chinese 2008 silver Panda's, to keep both my wife and I collections current, at the best price I have seen in years and then went on a silver Eagle spree at my local dealer. Prices there pretty much sucked but I understand how and when this small dealer bought these Eagles so I did him a favor and added a little silver. The older Eagles were much cheaper than the 2008's so I dove into both. After returning home I gave him a call and asked him to hold the ones I didn't buy as he doesn't have a clue when he will receive more. He actually thinks it will be January with the 2009 date. Who knows what the new Eagles will cost so I am gambling on the ones I can get my paws on now. If nothing else I helped stimulate someone's economy but at this stage of this huge game being played out by the rich crooks of the world I am not sure who's!

[scottishmoney]

Went to a show today, gold is selling at ridiculous premiums over spot, like $100+ per oz.  Guess for the time being the buying will dry up for me at least.  I am not fool enough to pay that.  Even silver was selling really high. 

[TwoShadows]

Watching Eagles sell on Ebay is like watching starving sharks in a feeding frenzy! What are people thinking? Perhaps the Fed, with the help of a willing drama crazed media,  is convincing many the end is near? While I don't mind paying a premium, especially to my small dealer, I do have my limits. Perhaps the auto manufacturers need to start a rumor about a shortage of new cars?

[Paint Your Wagon]

Could it be Sleepy Jean?

 "Cheer up, sleepy jean.
Oh, what can it mean.
To a daydream believer
And a homecoming queen" [little Ben?]

Monkeys  [Indeed]

Ooooh, ooooh here's Hank:

"You once thought of me
As a white knight on a steed.
Now you know how happy I can be.
Oh, and our good times starts and end
Without dollar one to spend.
But how much, baby, do we really need."

Monkeys

Wallstreet was up again today. Guess they were impressed with how peppy the zombies are. Too bad someone lost their life. It's a perfect example of the collective madness "that could never happen here." 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/28/Man_trampled_to_death_in_Black_Friday_rush/UPI-55071227889455/

Nope it was the Beatles kind of
It was John Lennon in Imagine

http://www.metacrawler.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sing365.com%2Fmusic%2Flyric.nsf%2FImagine-lyrics-John-Lennon%2F49604BC1C4A024AE48256BCA000779DD&0=&1=0&4=67.63.58.36&5=212.239.146.130&9=438b418d8d89444cafc2287af851c901&10=1&11=info.metac&13=search&14=239137&15=main-title&17=3&18=2&19=0&20=0&21=3&22=7Kmf9SmlX4s%3D&40=rofQydAlMwro2uuf%2BKMqyA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true

[Paint Your Wagon]

Went to a show today, gold is selling at ridiculous premiums over spot, like $100+ per oz.  Guess for the time being the buying will dry up for me at least.  I am not fool enough to pay that.  Even silver was selling really high. 

Today in Belgium gold is bought at spot plus 4.5% and sold at spot plus 8.5% That comes close to your price except they are buying high too

[longnine009]

Nope it was the Beatles kind of
It was John Lennon in Imagine

Oh, my, my, my, what an appropriate song for the world today.  Did you ever notice how pleasant and hypnotic Lennon sounds in that? Just like the pleasant sounds of  world socialism sirens singing from the shore lines. Maybe that's why he called the album "Shaved Fish." He should've called it Prozac Mullets but I don't think they had Prozac back then.

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” he said.

It's really amazing that none of the zombies in the "news" media have asked him to explain that or how it's even mathematically  possible. Is it  like:  "An Abrams Tank in every garage?"  I don't think we have the production capacity for 300 million Abrams  useless we out source it to China. 

[Paint Your Wagon]

Well all the Swisse of comabatable age sleep with a rifle under their beds 

[longnine009]

But they have real money that's worth stealing. 

[Paint Your Wagon]

The main industry of the Swisse is banking
Who are in trouble ? Banks .
There are continuous European rumours that Switzerland has problems ( no surprise )

The Flemish economic journal reports today that Islande would like to join the Euro or the Dollar ( they must be joking the Euro is by invitation only)

There is allso the rumour that Ireland is the following island in trouble ( as if whole the world is not in trouble )

[longnine009]

Yes, and the Fathers of the  Crapitalism will continue to pretend this hideous freak isn't theirs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081201/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_ignored_warnings;_ylt=Am8ZX9RKnlj_BX0d.sqepE2yBhIF

[Paint Your Wagon]

Haha but the joke is that the Southern states have given away their shirts to get Japanese carmakers and they are now lobbying like crazy to let GM and Chrysler and Ford drop dead
I wonder who is going to win that lobbying contest 

[scottishmoney]

In 1989 Socialism failed as a way of economic means, in 2009 Capitalism will write it's own epitaph.

[longnine009]

In 1989 Socialism failed as a way of economic means, in 2009 Capitalism will write it's own epitaph.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, those who didn't buy metals well I guess your...
uh... out of ruck char-rie. 

Awh, c'mon now. I went to Yahoo news three times today and didn't see Paulson's Chick-Pea head shining in  my monitor even once.  The recession must be over. LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!

[longnine009]

Haha but the joke is that the Southern states have given away their shirts to get Japanese carmakers and they are now lobbying like crazy to let GM and Chrysler and Ford drop dead
I wonder who is going to win that lobbying contest 

China will win. They've purchased and then dismantled an entire steel plant in Germany a few years ago and re-assembled it in China. I believe they spent something like 8 months just photographing and blue printing everything.

[scottishmoney]

China will win. They've purchased and then dismantled an entire steel plant in Germany a few years ago and re-assembled it in China. I believe they spent something like 8 months just photographing and blue printing everything.

For awhile, but Japan did the same damned thing back in the 1950's, and look where they are today

They have been in an economic downturn since the early 1990's and still haven't come out of the slump.

[longnine009]

Japan "just doesn't get it."  A Prozac a day keeps the blues away.

Ooopsie-daisy, guess we better start doubling the rations.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081201/ap_on_bi_ge/recession;_ylt=Ajvnrd4DeBCSBQs6cO_72beyBhIF
 

[Paint Your Wagon]

well in the good old days like 35 years back
American millionaires would buy a castle in France and have the blocks numbered and the casle patched back together in America

also in the good old days like 15 years back the chinese could not use a chemical factory that was not gravity operated cause they could not get to understand how a mechanical pump keeps running

[longnine009]

They probably still can't built a mechanical pump. China is  living in three worlds: Agricultural society, Industrial Society and Gadget Society. So they can build a space craft that can orbit the planet but apparently can't make a glue that will hold tennis shoes together for more than 3 days. Guess the smart engineers go to work for the Gadget world.

Their three worlds have very opposing cultures and are on a collision course. Guess Pootie-Poot thinks we'll  implode before china does or he wouldn't be so snotty. And yet he might implode first with oil selling for what? Twenty-nine bucks for a tanker load? 

This is like who will be the last man standing only it's who will be the last country to implode. I'm betting  on Bolivia since they've had about 3,000 revolutions in the last 50 years. I figure by now they're too tired to implode.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Will they be able to bust Crimex
A day by day story for decembre has been started
Registered is physically in the wharehouse and all papers are in order to deliver to the buyer
Elligable is physically in the wharehouse but the papers are not finalised to deliver to the buyer
So a lot of pressure will be brought on the elligable class to move it to the registered class since
after two days in decembre they are starting to feel the heat allready
This is for gold what the HUNT brothers succeeded with silver . The goldbugs are going to bust Crimex ( I hope )

http://meltdown2011.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/vaporize-comex-countdown/

[Paint Your Wagon]

The countries are asking the EU to clarify what a fundamentally sound bank is and only to help those
I did not know there still existed a fundamentally safe bank 
Jim Sinclair thinks they will try to sweep all collaterised debt back under the carpet and keep it there
because it is unsellable now and worthless

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLMH9LFJC2aM&refer=home

[Topher]

Here's a thought.  If the Ford, GM and Chrysler want a government bailout, then we should demand vehicles that get better gas mileage.  Also a timetable and a plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil, or a shift to plug-in hybrids, electric vehicles, natural gas-powered vehicles, building an infrastructure for battery-exchanges, etc.  Don't give them a cent unless they are going to contribute to a sustainable future.  If they aren't able and willing, then they need to go the way of the dinosaur, and we'll find other companies who will.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Here's a thought.  If the Ford, GM and Chrysler want a government bailout, then we should demand vehicles that get better gas mileage.  Also a timetable and a plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil, or a shift to plug-in hybrids, electric vehicles, natural gas-powered vehicles, building an infrastructure for battery-exchanges, etc.  Don't give them a cent unless they are going to contribute to a sustainable future.  If they aren't able and willing, then they need to go the way of the dinosaur, and we'll find other companies who will.

very true
and instead of promissing 7.7 trillion guarantuees to the banks they should have asked No more bonusses and No more dividends and No more gold parachutes untill an Approved Plan to return to a sound bank has been achieved

I hate to say this but the french president may be right
In return for 10 more billion of state aid to the banks he wants them to increase loan outs 3-4% per year because in the rest of the world the banks are just
putting all the money in their reserves which helps nobody outside the bank itself

[Paint Your Wagon]

Wow more troops inside the US for security


http://www.infowars.com/?p=6261

[longnine009]

It's MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than that.  And maybe even too late for ZOMBIFIED AMERIKA. The Infowars site in your link is run by Alex Jones, one of the last Patriots left in this country.  You should see his DVD "ENDGAME."

I believe he has a free on-line version of it. I just ordered the DVD because it would take AT&T about 100 years to down load it.

[Paint Your Wagon]

It's MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than that.  And maybe even too late for ZOMBIFIED AMERIKA. The Infowars site in your link is run by Alex Jones, one of the last Patriots left in this country.  You should see his DVD "ENDGAME."

I believe he has a free on-line version of it. I just ordered the DVD because it would take AT&T about 100 years to down load it.

I will take a look
I can download 400-500 kilobytes per second if the server on the other side is up to giving that much
I sometimes take longer for Nero to make the 700 megb into 4.7 gigb and burn it onto a DVD ( I allready have 750 gigabyte backupdrives 

[longnine009]

If it's not at infowars check prision planet.

[longnine009]

This is different. Apparently China doesn't reward their financial criminals with bonuses and junkets to Aspen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE4AQ5S920081127

[Paint Your Wagon]

I do not know how much is true but Pravda writes Obama cannot prove he is American

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-0/

[Paint Your Wagon]

A ring for the misssus


I was shocked when I read that the future first lady has commissioned one of the most expensive italian designers to make a diamond ring out of rhodium
Apparantly there is no american capable of making a pleasing diamond ring I guess
It is reported that the rhodium costs more then the diamonds
As a chemical engineer I only know rhodium from the table of Mendelyev and I have never seen it but I seem to remember it is used in bankvault steel

[scottishmoney]

Another Article On Price Manipulation By USA Government

[Paint Your Wagon]

GM and Chrysler need 15 Billion to survive untill Obama comes into office
it is strange but the flemish newpaper talks about 34 Billion
What is a few billion difference anyway

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRlzNzEm1UlE&refer=home

http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/ondernemingen_industrie/Automakers_vragen_34_miljard_dollar.8113080-434.art

[longnine009]

The Sea-hag from California is pulling real hard for the autos. In her not too original sound-bite yesterday she said their failure "was not option."  I'm not at all sure what California has to do with Detroit or what happened to Detroit's representatives or Michigan's senators but she's been cackling for some time now about saving them.

[Paint Your Wagon]

The Sea-hag from California is pulling real hard for the autos. In her not too original sound-bite yesterday she said their failure "was not option."  I'm not at all sure what California has to do with Detroit or what happened to Detroit's representatives or Michigan's senators but she's been cackling for some time now about saving them.

The only reasonable thing is to let them fail and insure reasonable pensions are still available and restart at rates competitive with the japanese factories
For that they need to abolish private jets and bonuses and golden parachutes and make cars people want to buy . And fire present management and get somebody up to the job . I read today half of young Island is open for offers and a lot of nordic countries allready bought them cheap brains

[longnine009]

I do not know how much is true but Pravda writes Obama cannot prove he is American

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-0/

Indeed, and if he defies the Supreme Court he should keep in mind that the Chief Jester  has to swear him in before he is president. 

[longnine009]

The Sea-hag from California is pulling real hard for the autos. In her not too original sound-bite yesterday she said their failure "was not option."  I'm not at all sure what California has to do with Detroit or what happened to Detroit's representatives or Michigan's senators but she's been cackling for some time now about saving them.

The only reasonable thing is to let them fail and insure reasonable pensions are still available and restart at rates competitive with the japanese factories
For that they need to abolish private jets and bonuses and golden parachutes and make cars people want to buy . And fire present management and get somebody up to the job . I read today half of young Island is open for offers and a lot of nordic countries allready bought them cheap brains

Foreclosed houses in Detroit were selling at public auction for $30,000 back in 2005 or 2006 and amazingly enough the government wasn't there to prop it all up. There's two sets of standards going on here, one for blue collar workers and one for white collar criminals.

A car from Detroit is a piece of crap for sure. But what is a mortgaged back security from New York? Now there are people who believe in "investors rights" who are challenging the idea of re-writing mortgages. They believe the government should just buy up the whole mess. So I guess their idea of "investors rights" is the steal the rights of taxpayers. Well, why not? If we had any "rights" we wouldn't be taxpayers. And the country wouldn't be run by  Mafia central bankers. 

Isn't rhodium radio active?