Next U.S. President

[Triggersmob]

Just been watching the news and Hillary has officially admitted defeat. So, as I understand it, the race will be between a White American in the Republican party and a Black American in the Democrats. So what's the feeling over in the U.S., does Obama have a chance?

Just curious. If I could run a poll, I would do that , but I can't find that option.   

[scottishmoney]

I kind of believe this election is not going to be good for the person that gets elected.  They are going to take the fall for stuff they had nothing to do with, that will really start hitting the fan economically into early next year.

Remember the old adage "Be careful what you ask for, you might get it"

By that measure Hillary Clinton is very fortunate not to have been selected as the Democrats nominee.

[TwoShadows]

Nothing will change! They are all in it together and they are in it for the power, fame or fortune. I do see different scenarios being played out should one or the other get elected. I think Obama will be making a grave mistake to ask Hillary to be a running mate. Nothing worse than having a snake in the grass who wants your job worse than you do. Of course we haven't had a good conspiracy since about 1963 have we?

[scottishmoney]

Neither party is worth the price of powder to blow to 'hell' any more. What one can't screw up the other can.

 

[ElleKitty]

I'm really disappointed.  What our country really needs is either an Independent candidate not tied to party strings or a strong Democratic candidate to win the election.  It's always been that way; our country prospers if we alternate frequently, but when one party controls the White House for too long, things tend to go to pot.

I'm really really disappointed that the Democrats have put forward two really controversial candidates, and I'm not talking about race or gender.  They just both seem like total crackpots to me.

I half think McCain will win the election simply because he's a more traditional candidate, and I think even I prefer him to the Democratic selection.  But I really don't care for four more years of watching our country go swirly down the toilet. ><

[TwoShadows]

Every little thing is manipulated by the powers that be. And I mean EVERYTHING!!! One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand the average human being. You can pull anything off as the average individual will only scream for a few days before their thoughts turn to something else. Any one else seen the movie "Wag the Dog"? Typical Washington, or any other government for that matter, and its practiced routinely around the world and its all about control the mind, control the wallet! If we had a clue as to what is really going on and who is really in charge of the governments and this planet all ____ would break loose! There is by far more HIDDEN agendas than there will ever be public agendas! I do see, in our lifetimes, the bubble busting and then we will finally see all the lies we have been told (across the board) by everyone we have placed in charge in every aspect of our lives. Bluntly put, I don't believe anything is as it seems and most is the exact opposite of what we have been told. The truth is out there but it would scare the living daylights out of about 99% of the world. So how bad do the masses really want to hear the truth. They claim they do but actually they want to hear what they perceive as truth. There is a huge difference!

[scottishmoney]

Back in 1992 Ross Perot really did put up a strong contention for the presidency.  I could have really liked this guy, but he sure went whacko with the alien stuff and people bugging his daughters wedding etc.

I am sorry, it looks like the USA is screwed whoever gets elected.  I really don't care for either candidate this time.  I liked Huckabee and Romney, but they are blown out now.

[Dumanyu]

If I may quote Lewis Black, "We have a choice between 2 bowls of poop (paraphrasing here), the only difference is the smell". We need a system change, where the same old recycled politicians can't get in.

[CoinCrusader42]

I sure agree with so many of the posts made in this thread.

My own thought:  How can the Democrats lose after eight years of Bush?

Fact is, I don't know if I can vote for either candidate.

Perhaps a protest vote -- for some obscure third party guy?

Kitty is right, we need an Independent (watch Lou Dobbs), or a strong Democratic candidate (maybe Joe Biden).

And Twoshadows is also right.  We're in a real mess.  Best answer (Congressional) is just to vote the incumbent out each election.

I've been following politics closely since 1960, and have never been so disappointed and dissolutioned.

Maybe whoever is elected President will suprise us and really do good things for the country.

 

[ElleKitty]

I would love to see America do a protest vote, and honestly everyone vote for no candidate.

However, there are so many party voters who don't open their eyes to see, that the parties will always over power anyone on an independent ticket.

Maybe we need to all get out there and campaign for changing the vote.   Maybe there's more of us smart folks out there than we know.

[TKO]

Old Dan For President!

on the
Independent Coin Collector Party

[longnine009]

The aristocrats will win, same as always.

What a  fascinating coincidence that Clinton and the Bobby Kennedy wannabe met in the same area  this weekend where the Bilderbergs just happened to be staying.   

[scottishmoney]

I would love to see America do a protest vote, and honestly everyone vote for no candidate.

However, there are so many party voters who don't open their eyes to see, that the parties will always over power anyone on an independent ticket.

Maybe we need to all get out there and campaign for changing the vote.   Maybe there's more of us smart folks out there than we know.

The one thing I had never seen before living in Texas was the straight party ticket vote, where you check one box like an idiot and vote for your parties agendas, candidates etc.  My problem with the political scene is that I cannot be classified as either Liberal or Conservative, and I vote across party lines.

[CoinCrusader42]

I'd vote for Old Dan!!!!

 

[Dumanyu]

The sad fact of the matter is, that the voting public, don't really pay attention to who is in office. 40% of them vote Democrat, and 40% vote Republican. This wouldn't change even if Hitler were running against Satan. The bottom line is that only about 20% of the voters really tip the scales toward one candidate or another. IMO, this jst promulgates a system that does nothing but keep fostering the same old garbage. It is amazing that people would vote in a president, or senator, or whatever, and most would not willingly invited these people into our homes.

I remember watching TV during Clinton's re-election, and an exit poll stated that 80% of the women who voted for him, didn't trust him. Some my question was, why did they vote for him? We need a slot on the ballot, which would probably deliver us a president named "NONE OF THE ABOVE".

We are a grossly ambivalent populace.

[longnine009]

The one thing I had never seen before living in Texas was the straight party ticket vote, where you check one box like an idiot and vote for your parties agendas, candidates etc. 

In the spirit of Pat Paulsen's "Straight Talking American Government"--(the STAG party) , I propose the following:

Ballots in a president election year  be re-labeled  as so:

Candidate   "A"
Candidate   "A" recycled and called "B"

Same campaign slogan used by "both" parties:
         
              "You'll hate me less."

Obama and McCain should both pick each other as running mates.

Yes,  I vote for OldDan too!  He still has the frontier spirit and plenty of it.  Most Americans don't  have  that anymore. We've become a nation of delusional slugs sitting around waiting on Ben Bernanke or Ed  Mcmahon  to drop off a check. The reason we get the clowns we get in politics is because they are us. We vote for the liar that  promises the most for nothing.  In the words of King Arthur: 

                            "We have lost our way."

[AdamL]

I really don't like to talk politics much with friends, and I consider all of you friends. Its just that your bound to disagree with each other on some things/ All I'll say is this: We really need more options than just a democrat vs. a republican every four years. I personally don't feel to great about McCain or Obama.

[CoinCrusader42]

Adam is right.  We need a third party, and probably more than that.

I don't know what it would take to add to the two-party system.

You may remember there was a big effort this year, complete with TV ads, to find a third party candidate, and nominate him/her for the fall election.  It was called Unity08.  Must have fallen flat, because I have not seen or heard anything about it for a long time.

It's a discouraging time.  The U.S. has muddled through before.  We just have to hope for the best.

Maybe whoever is elected will do a good job!  Stranger things have happened.

 

[Humpybong]

Yeah...let us  back OldDan


Hang on I am an aussie.....to hell with it....OldDan fro President

[Paint Your Wagon]

We have more then 6 parties and somehow or other they end up with 3 or 4 in government and nothing changes

They voted the King and his family a 5% salary increase  which is ridiculous since prince Laurent got an unexplainable expensive mediterean villa allready
The lowest class of retired people got a pension adjustment which put them in a higher tax bracket and you guess it right netto they got a check with vacation money which was LOWER then last year

Everywhere the old buddy system is filling the pockets of the other old buddies
When the crash comes who will be standing ?

I envy you americans being allowed to own a canon and weapons . We cannot even own an oversized knife legally 
http://www.jsmineset.com/home.asp

[longnine009]

Are those European reenactors?

[longnine009]

 Here's some of the  latest really cool ideas from the fed. If this "Captialism" than I'm a Bulgarian F-15 pilot.

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0841964720080609

Timothy Geithner, btw, is the fed banker who we have mostly to thank for the Bear Sterans begging bowl episode.  Tim did you get any of that loan back or does the begging bowl go in front of "We the People" next?

In yet  another fascinating "coincidence", Tim and his boss Big Ben were both guests at the  Bilderberg  Pimp & Ho party  held last weekend  in Chantilly, Virginia.

Politicians? Elections? Democracy?  Yeah right!

[S.George]

 

May We Have A President, who can stop the war in Iraq.
Bring back the economy, before it is too late.
I also need a President, who can help our country.   After President Kennedy, none helped us.
George

[Paint Your Wagon]

Are those European reenactors?

They are the key members of the Jim Sinclair fan group ( link above picture )

http://www.jsmineset.com/home.asp

[AdamL]

May We Have A President, who can stop the war in Iraq.
Bring back the economy, before it is too late.
I also need a President, who can help our country.   After President Kennedy, none helped us.
George

George, I was curious, what did President Kennedy do for your country?

[scottishmoney]

In a nutshell, JFK sent the Peace Corps there, including the mother of a future US President, Lillian Carter.  The Peace Corps did more for USA opinion than any other initiative of the US government, it had far more influence for longer than any military or lip service.  Too bad it is an ugly stepchild now and not the great organisation it used to be.

[AdamL]

In a nutshell, JFK sent the Peace Corps there, including the mother of a future US President, Lillian Carter.  The Peace Corps did more for USA opinion than any other initiative of the US government, it had far more influence for longer than any military or lip service.  Too bad it is an ugly stepchild now and not the great organisation it used to be.

I see. Thanks for the info.

[longnine009]

Are those European reenactors?

They are the key members of the Jim Sinclair fan group ( link above picture )

http://www.jsmineset.com/home.asp

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Russia blames U.S. for global financial crisis
Sat Jun 7, 2008 1:42pm EDT
By Michael Stott

ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev blamed "aggressive" United States policies on Saturday for the global financial crisis and said Moscow's growing economic muscle could be part of the solution.

"Failure by the biggest financial firms in the world to adequately take risk into account, coupled with the aggressive financial policies of the biggest economy in the world, have led not only to corporate losses," Medvedev told Russia's main annual event for international investors in St Petersburg.

"Most people on the planet have become poorer."

The Kremlin leader said investment by cash-rich Russian companies abroad, promotion of Moscow as a major financial centre and use of the ruble as a reserve currency were part of the answer.

These could help solve problems created by what he said was a gap between the United States' leading global economic role and "its true capabilities".
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It's pretty sad when former communists make more sense than so called "capitalists today.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Yes Russian Gas is predicting oilprices at 250$ by 2009
Nobody else will say so

I paid more then 9 dollar a gallon monday it cost me about 130 $ to fill up my tank
Even in very expensive belgium I could go to a chinese with 4 for that price 

[Paint Your Wagon]

There is a shortage of crude carriers because so many are full and waiting to go to the highest bidder
In the end if you do not sell the crude you have to store it somewhere and it seems we have come to storage at sea

[scottishmoney]

I still don't think the price is high enough to put a real dent in driving stupidity though.  This morning I had to wait at a drawbridge while a lake freighter went through(the Algoway from Canada) anyway, everytime these long ships go through to the gravel docks we have to wait about 20 minutes, and you would not believe that people sit there with their engines running the whole time.  Then after the boat gets through, you would think they were trying to out speed Danica or something.  Lately on the motorway I have kept the speedometer under 100km/hr, trying to save whatever I can.  But I get passed by people doing 130km+ all the time.

Maybe if everybody would think instead of wasting petrol we would not be in this mess.

[TwoShadows]

Greed is the driving factor (no pun intended) as the oil companies reported billions of profits (around 35 if I remember correctly) for the first quarter of the year. The rich are getting richer and the whole bunch is lying to Congress every time they get called in. If any of us were operating a business under such circumstance we would probably already be in jail!!!

[Humpybong]

I think it is greed....oil companies....OPEC....

They are all trying to "screw" us

[Triggersmob]

I'm glad my car runs on LPG. Gas is about 65c a litre, petrol is about $1.65 a litre. Everytime I fill up I'm saving about $55.
The gas conversion has paid for itself many times over.

 

[scottishmoney]

How about Al Qaeda and their Saudi benefactors, they are screwing the infidels too.

[longnine009]

It's those ungrateful  Iraqis. First they insult us by not showering bush with plaudits and parades and  then they make it too hard for us to plunder their oil.  I think we should re-invade them.

[AdamL]

LOL

[Humpybong]

        

[Paint Your Wagon]

It's those ungrateful  Iraqis. First they insult us by not showering bush with plaudits and parades and  then they make it too hard for us to plunder their oil.  I think we should re-invade them.

Why don't you send in twelve hostage negotiators 

[longnine009]

I'll send  Bobby O'bama.  He's a man of real change.

http://tyrannywatch.com/2008/06/10/obama-sponsors-fingerprint-registry-bill/

[Paint Your Wagon]

We have a chip identity card we have to carry at all times
It is said that appropriate radio apparatus can track us within a 10 meter radius That is the sending and receiving have to be within 10 meters
Like in an airport you walk thru the door and you are recorded and registered they say.

Why don't you sent the US cavalry with John Wayne they allways arrived in the nick of time 

[scottishmoney]

No, now remember our real enemas are... The Old Europe!  Say lets go get some Freedom Fries, and then go Freedom Kissing.  What a crock of fecal from a real American administration.

[longnine009]

Why don't you sent the US cavalry with John Wayne they allways arrived in the nick of time 

I was hoping  John Wayne might be  too busy re-habbing over in the East Wing somewhere or the basement or wherever.   But they could offer the gig to Erik Prince.