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Offline Paint Your Wagon

Re: Gold coins
February 03, 2008, 09:34:39 PM

PS Do you mean to say you got no British Sovereign ?


Not even one little old British Sovereign!  I might just go away and cry now!

 :'( :( :'( :( :'(

When I grew up my mother and nearly everybody elses mother had one dangling from a bracelet
and all polished to death  :)
When she died age 96 a year ago she had managed to sell the darn thing for 100 euro a few months before ; leaving largely bills to be paid

I read somewhere there is 200 million of those Sovereigns around
Some years the British just gave a million of them away to be left alone since they had allready enough wars going I read

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February 06, 2008, 06:53:25 AM
A whole set of MCMLXXXVI AGE's arrived today, the first year they were minted.  From 1986 to 1990 something they had Roman numeral dates, then they ditched them, just like with the St. Gauden's $20 in 1907.  I have never had a half oz coin from the USA before, only the ozs usually.  The only thing I don't care for with them as opposed to the Saints is that they had to make Ms. Liberty look waifish instead of more like a woman.

 


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February 06, 2008, 06:55:35 AM
Mon monnaie de la or et la piece de la resistance


Gold 22 Shillings, crowned shield, I G either side, rev. crowned monogram MR, date in legend, 2.49gms. The I G on both sides of the shield are for James, Earl of Arran, Governor of Scotland. Curiously, he was next in line to the Scottish throne, being descended from James II. He was appointed regent in 1542, and would subsequently negotiate with the French for Mary's marriage to the Dauphin Francis. For his efforts he was created Duke of Chatellerault. In 1554 the regency was surrendered to Marie of Guise, Queen Mary's mother. The Latin legends on this coin, Maria Dei Gra R Scotorum translates to Mary Queen of the Scots, whilst on the reverse Diligit Iusticiam translates to observe justice. This particular coin is S-5396, and SMA22S-005.

 


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February 06, 2008, 07:13:27 AM
Re gold coins, I have one Aussie Half sovereign, 1906S and a tiny weeny little coin from somewhere in Sth America.  No more!  I'm gunna go away now & join Snooba to have a cry. :'( :'( :'( 

Nah, not really, just joking.  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Gold coins
February 07, 2008, 01:10:25 AM
Scottish
Your pièce de résistance est superbe j'aime bien

But I am afflicted with the american syndrome ; bigger is better  >:(
If that coin were on a LMU standard I would start pulling my moustache ( I do not bite nails ) and go ask my wife what she wanted
as a fair exchange for me hunting one  :-X

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February 07, 2008, 01:24:53 AM
My scanner really hates the new Double Eagles and makes them look pasty


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February 07, 2008, 01:26:36 AM
On the other hand I got a half ounce proof at melt and it liked that one


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Re: Gold coins
February 07, 2008, 02:15:29 AM

But I am afflicted with the american syndrome ; bigger is better  >:(


Bigger is better when it comes to gold, but not much else in life.  I thought it was funny when I was in Europe, I could recognise British and Americans without even hearing them speak, because many Americans and a few Brits take that "bigger is better" to the size of their posterior and mid sections. :o  It comes from driving Hummers and other humongous petrol guzzling automotive devices, and not exercising.

But with gold, the Brits and the Americans did it right with the bigger gold coins, ala the $20 and the £5 coins.  The 100FF coin seems to skimp a bit on gold. :-\


 


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Re: Gold coins
February 07, 2008, 05:07:55 AM
I am not sure I follow
The difference between a 20$ and 100 French Francs seems to be 0.03 ounce
I cannot feel the difference tossing them in the air  :(


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February 16, 2008, 05:35:45 AM
Ok Back to Austria
I started shooting my new Canon D30 and after about 100 pictures I found that I am best at using photoshop and forget about a black background or other background and just point and shoot and photo shop ( after all it is a full digital camera that will diliver raw unprocessesed pictures to be jpeged or whatever
I used Sissi of the three films as object
Boxed and certificated and I like Romy Schneider better thank you


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Re: Gold coins
February 16, 2008, 05:40:42 AM
On the reverse I used a black background ( not a good idea
Here you see empress Sissi in Switzerland about to catch a steamer across the lake and minutes before she was killed by an extremist who missed his first target and took Sissi as second target to kill
She was knifed to death whilst acompanied by a lady in waiting hurrying to catch the steamer


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February 16, 2008, 05:48:20 AM
Sissi in box and certificate also with the illadvised black background


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February 16, 2008, 06:03:41 AM

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February 28, 2008, 08:52:52 AM
I love the detail put into the Austrian coinage!

I have been meaning to ask if you fellows have seen the U.S. Indian/Buffalo gold? Currently it is only struck in the one ounce version but the 1/10, 1/25 and 1/2 ounce will be coming along in the months to come.

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Re: Gold coins
March 07, 2008, 03:11:42 PM
I love the detail put into the Austrian coinage!

I have been meaning to ask if you fellows have seen the U.S. Indian/Buffalo gold? Currently it is only struck in the one ounce version but the 1/10, 1/25 and 1/2 ounce will be coming along in the months to come.

Have some 2006 (first year) first strike MS69 sealed. They are beautiful. As they are 99.99 gold they are very soft - so keep them sealed and safe.
The heritage is the old Indian/ Buffalo nickle - which are really striking (pun)- actually got one (1937) in change at food store last week and upon seeing it dropped some the change I was holding. Gave it to a client who appreciates the non precious metal more than I.

Should see the detail on the 1/10 oz gold eagle - spent half an hour with a magnifying glass today on one.

 


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March 08, 2008, 12:25:05 AM

Netherlands 10 Gulden 1897, with young portrait of Queen Wilhelmina.  Though a very limited number of these coins were issued in 1895 and 1896, 1897 is the only year these were released in a collectible quantity.

 


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March 08, 2008, 12:28:17 AM

For quite a long time when you wanted a large gold coin, this Hungarian 100 Korona from 1908 and it's Austrian counterpart were the largest available.  These coins were restruck by the Austrian mint for a number of years, being .98 oz, they were the largest available coins until the advent of the Kruggerand in 1967.  A very attractive design, and notably more difficult to find than the Austrian 100 Krone.

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 04:16:07 AM
I love the detail put into the Austrian coinage!

I have been meaning to ask if you fellows have seen the U.S. Indian/Buffalo gold? Currently it is only struck in the one ounce version but the 1/10, 1/25 and 1/2 ounce will be coming along in the months to come.

Have some 2006 (first year) first strike MS69 sealed. They are beautiful. As they are 99.99 gold they are very soft - so keep them sealed and safe.
The heritage is the old Indian/ Buffalo nickle - which are really striking (pun)- actually got one (1937) in change at food store last week and upon seeing it dropped some the change I was holding. Gave it to a client who appreciates the non precious metal more than I.

Should see the detail on the 1/10 oz gold eagle - spent half an hour with a magnifying glass today on one.


If you give away non precious metal coins you are going to be mighty popular on this forum  ;D

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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 04:19:18 AM

Netherlands 10 Gulden 1897, with young portrait of Queen Wilhelmina.  Though a very limited number of these coins were issued in 1895 and 1896, 1897 is the only year these were released in a collectible quantity.

I got two MS65 and MS66 below melt on ebay France several years ago it is 1898 coronation year I cannot get at a decent price and I refuse to pay 100% over melt


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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 04:32:32 AM

For quite a long time when you wanted a large gold coin, this Hungarian 100 Korona from 1908 and it's Austrian counterpart were the largest available.  These coins were restruck by the Austrian mint for a number of years, being .98 oz, they were the largest available coins until the advent of the Kruggerand in 1967.  A very attractive design, and notably more difficult to find than the Austrian 100 Krone.

Scottish this time I understand nothing
I got two of those Corona at melt from my exchange agent and posted one at the beginning of this thread
and to start I got my birthyear MS64 Mexican from 1947 which is 37.5 grams oro puro at melt from an exchange agent





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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 04:45:43 AM
Without searching the 100 Soles are pretty heavy
I had to pay over melt for this one 1963




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March 08, 2008, 04:48:50 AM
And  I remember this one year 1966 was difficult to get
Toke me 5 years and found it in France MS64 and my coindealing friend said he never ever saw one without a scuffed earthglobe





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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 01:21:29 PM

Scottish this time I understand nothing
I got two of those Corona at melt from my exchange agent and posted one at the beginning of this thread
and to start I got my birthyear MS64 Mexican from 1947 which is 37.5 grams oro puro at melt from an exchange agent




How did I forget that one?  I have been looking for a nice coinage era in choice BU for sometime, you know I like the coins with ladies on them:)

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 08, 2008, 11:54:47 PM
You are getting to be scary sounding like me
I am bidding right now on a coin with a lady on it

This is Nike goddess of victory right ?
Anyways a bit later they made the coin in 1 oz and it is even more gorgeous
I had to sell a dozen during my bad days but I kept one of the best .
Bad mistake selling those because now they are virtually non obtainable in Europe


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March 08, 2008, 11:58:54 PM
But I retained this mexico 20 pesos an exchange agent sold at melt
No woman on it but georgeous


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Re: Gold coins
March 09, 2008, 12:10:57 AM
You are getting to be scary sounding like me
I am bidding right now on a coin with a lady on it

This is Nike goddess of victory right ?
Anyways a bit later they made the coin in 1 oz and it is even more gorgeous
I had to sell a dozen during my bad days but I kept one of the best .
Bad mistake selling those because now they are virtually non obtainable in Europe



I had several dozen of those at one time, in the late 1980's until the introduction of the AGE those were pretty popular in the USA market.  Now they are very difficult to find even in N. America.  Mexico stopped making these and taxed the old ones out of existence.  With this design you got a lot of *bang* for your buck.  Too bad when they came out with the design for the AGE's they decided to make Ms. Liberty look like a waif.  Real women have curves.

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 09, 2008, 01:06:12 AM
I got Venus for close to melt since she is missing two arms

I got the most beautifull woman you can think of but only vendor pics and since she is capsulated untouched gold I will try my new scanner and or my new TTL digital camera somewhere in the future before showing her  ( TTL is thru the lense seeing and picturing but digital )



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March 09, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
Scottishmoney I am some what like you except I like women with coins on them!!! ;D  ;D  ;D
And that is plus your way too!!!

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Re: Gold coins
March 10, 2008, 12:16:06 AM
Scottishmoney I am some what like you except I like women with coins on them!!! ;D  ;D  ;D
And that is plus your way too!!!

The coins on exotic bellydansers are copper fakes ;D

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March 10, 2008, 03:11:06 AM

The coins on exotic bellydansers are copper fakes ;D

Would you be so kind as to explain just how one goes about acquiring this information with any degree of accuracy?

By having one gyrating 3 inches in front of my nose and paying more attention to the coins then to the bellybutton  :D
She even sat on my lap but the way my wife was grabbing for a sharp object made her reconsider  ;D
Some tourists wifes are unpredictable

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March 10, 2008, 05:49:56 AM
Your wife should have understood that poor lady was exhausted for all that dancing and just needed a place to rest for a moment? ;D

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Re: Gold coins
March 10, 2008, 06:18:46 AM
Well my wife asked me why I thought the danser picked me ; so I was not going to say cause I was smoking a 50$ Cuban waving a gold Dupont lighter and us having a champaign bucket on the tablet

Lucky for me that close up every square inch of the danser was pancaked with cosmetica and that she was literally sweatting bullets of transpiration that pierced the pancake at regular short distances making her look like a shop plastic doll that had been out in the rain
Otherwise I would have had to explain some temporal intergalactic distortions in my spacesuite ;D


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Re: Gold coins
March 10, 2008, 04:19:56 PM
Scottishmoney I am some what like you except I like women with coins on them!!! ;D  ;D  ;D
And that is plus your way too!!!

Thats what coin pendants and bezels are used for :D

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 11, 2008, 03:12:25 AM
On a German forum there are those that confessed they are lickers ; well I mean they determine by their tongue
the quality of the alloy  :D

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Re: Gold coins
March 11, 2008, 09:42:35 AM
At least the French know what a tongue is for, canna say that for the Germans.

 


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March 11, 2008, 10:36:59 AM
just finished reading the whole mob of remarks and stories and etc here, I am impressed and heartwarmed as though I was in Green bay for the playoff games again this year.  I truly love reading you all and your opinions and looking at the lovely gold coins and I might say I will see if the German Ebay is what you say.  I will also try to post some pictures of some american gold, big and little.  Just remember, Bush is from Texas, and we all like it big over here. 

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 11, 2008, 11:40:04 AM
But keep in mind there can be BIGGER everything! And we do have a few fools, idiots, a__holes, jerks, thieves, robbers, crooks and ect....! Like they say a FOOL and his money is soon parted and it seems we have some big ones over here. Now excuse me, I must finish my paperwork to receive my inheritance from the former President of Nigeria. After I donate 70% of the money to charity (his family requests it) I get to keep the other 30% for my work effort. They needed me to get the money out of the country due to political problems and scandals. Thank God there are people like me left to help these caring people out with their finances and donations. I am sure they are transferring the cash to my bank account right now!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: Gold coins
March 11, 2008, 11:45:18 AM
They are sending Zimbabwean dollars to your account, 25000000 : USD 1.

 


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March 12, 2008, 12:13:59 AM
On a German forum there are those that confessed they are lickers ; well I mean they determine by their tongue
the quality of the alloy  :D
Back in the good old days there were those who used the technique of nibbling or biting to determine gold from lesser forms of metal. Why not do an experiment to determine which is the best way?  You go first!

The oldest goldcoin I have is not very old ; it is pre revolution France
It was bitten  ??? The bite did not show on  the pic but there is one tooth identation quiet visible
The guy must have only one tooth left  ;D Lucky for the coin and me  ;D

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March 12, 2008, 12:19:39 AM
The real Louis might have preferred the bite of on tooth to the guillotine I guess


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March 12, 2008, 12:22:14 AM
At least the French know what a tongue is for, canna say that for the Germans.

I think you overrate the French
The only thing they tought me was how you taste wine first on the tip of your tongue and then on the back etc allthough soixanteneuf seems to be of french origin it is the french word for sixtynine

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March 12, 2008, 12:25:44 AM
just finished reading the whole mob of remarks and stories and etc here, I am impressed and heartwarmed as though I was in Green bay for the playoff games again this year.  I truly love reading you all and your opinions and looking at the lovely gold coins and I might say I will see if the German Ebay is what you say.  I will also try to post some pictures of some american gold, big and little.  Just remember, Bush is from Texas, and we all like it big over here. 

The german ebay has routinely 5000 offers in the gold coin category and they have weekly those 5 ounce Monnaie de Paris goldcoins with limit production of 99 only
Beware this can be addictive and harmfull to your wallet short term (hopefully not long term )

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Re: Gold coins
March 15, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Watching a couple of Danish 20 Kr from 1873-1874 on an auction this week.  I like the maiden and dolphin design on the reverse, just wish I could find one of the Danish West Indies 10 Kroner coins from 1905, expensive but lovely.

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 16, 2008, 12:56:43 AM
Watching a couple of Danish 20 Kr from 1873-1874 on an auction this week.  I like the maiden and dolphin design on the reverse, just wish I could find one of the Danish West Indies 10 Kroner coins from 1905, expensive but lovely.

Do you have a picture to show those coins?
For some or other reason Danish Coins are never cheap compared to other world coins
I am switching to silver cause at 1000$ an ounce gold is getting expensive and 95% of the coins being offered are let's say common or teeth or jewelry or nuggets of the nuggety kind etc

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March 17, 2008, 02:36:44 AM
Those Danish coins are one of my favorites (got a 1876 20 Kr.) D., i had made a few deals with a coin store in Copenhagen who usually have a few DVI gold coins (20 Fr./4 Dal.), let me know if youre interested and i'll PM you their contacts.

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March 17, 2008, 05:10:53 AM
Those Danish coins are one of my favorites (got a 1876 20 Kr.) D., i had made a few deals with a coin store in Copenhagen who usually have a few DVI gold coins (20 Fr./4 Dal.), let me know if youre interested and i'll PM you their contacts.

Jose 8)

Yes please.  BTW have some more ladies coming from Portugal too. ;D

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 17, 2008, 06:31:08 AM
Those Danish coins are one of my favorites (got a 1876 20 Kr.) D., i had made a few deals with a coin store in Copenhagen who usually have a few DVI gold coins (20 Fr./4 Dal.), let me know if youre interested and i'll PM you their contacts.

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If they have internet shops I would very much like their address

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Re: Gold coins
March 18, 2008, 06:00:15 AM
I acquired accidently this silver coin five ecu
El Ingeniosa Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha 1994
I spend sunday afternoon and this afternoon to explore the bounderies of my scanner and photoshop
The only bounderies are my patience  ;D
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March 18, 2008, 06:03:28 AM
With the Head I had a lot of trouble since the high relief in the plastic allways came out with yellow red blue rainbow scattering
I had to desaturate the pic to black and white and then resaturate the background to blue etc


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March 18, 2008, 06:47:26 AM
Not a bad scan considering it was done through the plastic, also like the Gaudi lettering on the one side.

 


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March 18, 2008, 07:46:24 AM
Not a bad scan considering it was done through the plastic, also like the Gaudi lettering on the one side.

Thank you
I did not realise the quaint lettering was Gaudi style but now that you mention it something clicks and it makes perfect sense
I found the circle with stars a little queer and enchanting because in 1994 the European Union was really no done deal

Now I will have to take out my Canon camera again sometime soon and compare the ease of shooting gold with the ease of scanning gold in a capsule
I think this Canoscan 8800 is going to win for ease of use now that I now the photoshop layers stuff and setting up lighting for a coin in
a capsule probably is going to be dicey too . But I got three full spectrum lights with a known color temperature from Germany and that should
take care of the whitebalance . ( and if everything fails I still can take the gold from the capsule after all my bottle of acetone has been unused for like six months now and I need to keep my agility  ;D ) Oh and I have a pair of cotton gloves I never used .

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Re: Gold coins
March 24, 2008, 07:41:03 AM
I think I stopped my collection of Austrian coins because they all have that sameness
Too much detail even when trying to simplify and simply not the proof quality contrast between field and devices the French have

This is Marie Antoinette
Sent to France age 14 to be the empress of the last French emperor before the revolution
The reverse shows her in vain pleading for her life before the citizens jury that sent her to the guillotine
Whilst the French people were starving to death she was building a little palace in the gardens of the big palace
Obtained on ebay austria for 3% below melt


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Re: Gold coins
March 24, 2008, 07:44:12 AM
It is obvious my laser scanner has minor problems with light scattering on the capsule of coins
I still have not found a corrective layer one to suite them all
I had the flue all week so my project to start up the Canon 30 D camera has been posponed
I could cut out the coin and put it on a blue background without capsule but that takes a lot of work if the image is not 100% round ( which it should be but hélas theory and practice often disagree ; like most people do not know a copy machine allways changes the dimentions by a minuscule amount )


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Re: Gold coins
March 24, 2008, 09:50:59 AM
With gold that has a mirror finish I find it is better to scan using a light background colour.  If it is circulated then you are better off with a blue background.

 


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Re: Gold coins
March 24, 2008, 11:51:10 PM
With gold that has a mirror finish I find it is better to scan using a light background colour.  If it is circulated then you are better off with a blue background.

As long as there is contrast the finish is no problem ( A Maple leaf is a problem because there is no contrast )
Considering that the scan even with capsule is better then 75% of the ebay pics I see ; I will leave the coins in the capsule
Washing away fingerprints with acetone on a proof coin is no fun since the acetone leaves marks if it is not warm enough
All my coins are in the bankvault but with the next coin I can try a white background , I never did that

What do you consider a light background ? Pure white on which you can set the whitebalance ?


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Re: Gold coins
March 25, 2008, 01:09:21 AM
These are the pics from the Austrian National shop
I think all things considered my coinpics are better then his

http://www.schoeller-muenzhandel.at/default.asp?Shop=3

mmm The link does not go to the page you have to click Austria and then ATS 2nd Republic

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March 29, 2008, 01:31:31 AM
With gold that has a mirror finish I find it is better to scan using a light background colour.  If it is circulated then you are better off with a blue background.

I had years of color study working in coloring plastics for Mercedes cars to match their leather color etc  and I studied Johannes Itten on colors and could read
spectophotometer graphs ( what they now call histograms in photoshop )
The eye is easily deceived . Put a slightly neutralised blue color on a real blue color background and your eyes will tell you it is dirty purplish like .

So I am completely flabbergasted
My canoscan8800F comes with three drivers a standard , a canondriver , and Silverfast a  professional photographers driver
The Canondriver will render the image independant of the background ( scan will look the same with or without background) whilst Silverfast will show you what the deceived eye sees ; that is the image as seen by the eye on that background but totally different from the image without background 

On the left is what the eye would see if poster and background where separated and on the right is what the eye really sees when you put one on top of the other ( now this is the same scanner with standard settings and two different drivers )
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March 30, 2008, 05:19:22 AM
I am stopping my austrian series here since all those coins look alike so much and the quality even in handprocessed condition is less then Monnaie de Paris . I mean the coin surface texture is not state of the art like Monnaie de Paris does in my opinion and since it is my money my opinion is were my money goes .
So here goes Book illustration half ounce one percent below melt
1000 ATS 2001 with certificate
One side shows the library of Austria the other side illustrators at work


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March 30, 2008, 05:21:05 AM
The reverse

This is the side I like better


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March 30, 2008, 07:48:01 AM
Still a pretty coin :D

 


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March 30, 2008, 09:36:31 AM
Still a pretty coin :D

Yes I just saw on ebay germany of course several of the 1999 and 2000 Monnaie de Paris coins of the ART series
Butt ugly in my opinion ( that is the design is ugly and even the best coinmaster cannot make an eyepleasing coin out of an ugly design)
The vendor is offering free shipping but those coins had authorised limits of 2000 and some only got 166 buyers
There is Roman art and Greek art and Modern art etc none pleases me  ::)

I am fairly spoiled ; even at or below melt I want my coins to look lovely ( Lovely like in the song from the film My Fair Lady )

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April 19, 2008, 06:59:56 AM
Working currently on a test deal to trade AGE's for 1873-1907 Liberties at 1:1, minuscule amt less gold in the Liberties, but lots more history and they were real money.  Will try with a roll over the next couple of weeks and see how it goes, thence perhaps more.

 


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April 19, 2008, 09:13:01 AM
Working currently on a test deal to trade AGE's for 1873-1907 Liberties at 1:1, minuscule amt less gold in the Liberties, but lots more history and they were real money.  Will try with a roll over the next couple of weeks and see how it goes, thence perhaps more.

Anybody accepting that deal probably would be offering fakes with less gold content then the original
Why would they offer that deal if they can get at least 10% better then melt unless it is really VF quality

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April 19, 2008, 09:33:55 AM

Anybody accepting that deal probably would be offering fakes with less gold content then the original
Why would they offer that deal if they can get at least 10% better then melt unless it is really VF quality

Usually yes, but this is a collector I have dealt with for quite a long time, I will get over the counter receipts, gold is coming out of the woodwork, if there is high grade Saints etc. I will give the difference in silver bar.

 


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April 19, 2008, 11:44:59 PM
Maybe in the US gold is coming out of the woodworks
Here in Europe it is terrible
Goldfillings or goldteeths half cleaned
Gold nuggets or whatever must pass for a goldnugget and miracalously nature has produced all nuggets at 99% pure
Gold leafs 100 goldleafs still weigh nothing
Smallest coins of the world ( 0.25 to 0.50 grams of gold if you are lucky since several reports give analyses of zero gold in some cases)
and the real coins at 100% or higher over melt
So I am not buying the last three weeks

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April 20, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
The economy here is descending to hell, so people are parting with things that were precious, but not so much as making a mortgage payment etc.  Seriously I am pondering coming to Europa with my € and banking it there, the way the dollar goes south south south.  Just look on forums and see people snapping up gold sets etc. from people needing the money.

 


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April 20, 2008, 04:20:43 AM
The economy here is descending to hell, so people are parting with things that were precious, but not so much as making a mortgage payment etc.  Seriously I am pondering coming to Europa with my € and banking it there, the way the dollar goes south south south.  Just look on forums and see people snapping up gold sets etc. from people needing the money.

Like a German advisary lettre remarked you are now going from recession into depression right now
However we probably are only six months behind you not knowing yet we entered recession allready here
Be aware that all European Union banks have reporting laws . Anywhere between 10 000 and 20 000 euro in a single
deposit will be reported to the law ( yay we imported your anti dirty money laws too ) on top of that state insurance is
different in all countries . In my country I am ensured 20 000 euro for me and 20 000 euro for my wife against bank bankruptcy
If I have more money then that I need to go to a second and a third bank etc
But the government fund does not even have enough money to cover the failure of one big bank .

Intrest rates are orfull : I get 3.6% net which certainly is below real inflation (not the reported keep them happy figures)

If European coin forums start to offer sets at melt I will be ready and waiting .
Remember I have an agreement with my wife : if gold gets worhtless she can have it and drape it around any and all bodyparts she wants  ::)
In the meantime I can buy whatever I want as long as she can go on renovating the house  :-*
Since our houses are built to last 200 years at least this should enhance the value . Our house prices are not coming down because
all Belgium is built full and there is no place left for new houses so no oversupply possible


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April 20, 2008, 06:04:54 AM
The insured limits on accounts here are $100,000 but interest rates are 2.75% on short term accounts, lower for longer term accounts.  But if we have the bank failures that might result here from the fallout from the subprime crisis, I seriously wonder that the FDIC can cover all the depositors monies?

 


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April 20, 2008, 06:24:43 AM
The insured limits on accounts here are $100,000 but interest rates are 2.75% on short term accounts, lower for longer term accounts.  But if we have the bank failures that might result here from the fallout from the subprime crisis, I seriously wonder that the FDIC can cover all the depositors monies?

I do not understand all the American lending terms but I troll many investment forums
It seems the next bomb is Alt prime whatever that may be
After that it is of course the Trillions in Derivatives which are understand all too well .
Insurers and counter insurers leveraged at 30 to 1 meaning that if more then 3.3% of their clients go
under they and everybody else goes under too .

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April 20, 2008, 09:24:20 AM
I cannot even pay off my mortgage, the mortgage company makes it practically prohibitive, the reason... they would lose the interest over the rest of the term of the loan. :-X

 


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April 20, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
I cannot even pay off my mortgage, the mortgage company makes it practically prohibitive, the reason... they would lose the interest over the rest of the term of the loan. :-X

I paid of the balance of my mortgage in 1996 since firing an engineer with 23 years anciennity costs the company a 27 months penalty in Belgium
( Complex formula accepted by court)
My contract with the Banklenders stipulated a 3 months penalty for early payback of the mortgage . I told them ok but then afterwards I will leave
with all my insurance coverages and all the rest and go to another bank . They offered to split the penalty in 2 , the local branch paying half to keep me
and I paying the other half .

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April 20, 2008, 10:01:35 PM
In the next few months I will be hashing this out with my bank.  They should be thankful they will get their principle with a little bit of interest, so many loans here they are getting nothing but a beat up house that if they can thence sell it will sell at a huge loss.

 


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April 20, 2008, 11:11:56 PM
In the next few months I will be hashing this out with my bank.  They should be thankful they will get their principle with a little bit of interest, so many loans here they are getting nothing but a beat up house that if they can thence sell it will sell at a huge loss.

If you pay back that will drop the percentage of performing loans and will make their shareholders even more unhappy
You may have to use shocktactics like not paying for 2 months and telling them you got cashflow problems  ;D
Then tell them you get money coming but are going to put it in London buying options on some high promise company
unless of course they offer you 90 cent on the dollar to pay back your loan instead of buying London options  ;D

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April 21, 2008, 12:15:16 AM
What one person did was just paid it with the payment coupon, but of course the bank will apply it all to interest, and not principal.  They are crooks.

The bank we got the loan from is no longer in our community, they sold the branches to another bank, but kept our loan of course.  Because we have high credit rating, and no payment issues.

Two years ago I went and traded in two cars which we had for several years on a new vehicle more suitable for my family of five.  Negotiating the whole deal was easy, until it came to the payment for the rest after our used cars were valued and applied to the sale.  When you tell a car dealer you are paying cash for the rest you might as well tell them that...

There is no Easter Bunny
Santa is imaginary
Moses did not part the Red Sea
Jesus did not walk on water etc.

They scurry around, implying "you can't do that"  Uh huh, I know they make their bucks on the financing, not on the sale of the car.  They get a significant kickback from the lender, plus the salesman has a quota on auto financing. 

So just about a sale killer.

I told them, fine.  I will walk.

Needless to say they grudgingly accepted our cheque for the vehicle.

The problem is, too many people depend on financing for BS like TV's, cell phones, DVD players etc. So much so that we have to be expected to finance everything.  And pretty soon money is worthless, which is not a problem.  Because of that narsty noble aurum that I canna get enough of.

 


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April 21, 2008, 12:42:06 AM
Two years ago they rearended and destroyed my 13 year old BMW
I had to buy another car
The garage refused to accept money because it is illigal because it is assumed to be money on which no taxes and levies and solidarity has been paid and it is assumed the garage owner is going to try and evade income taxes as well
So I had to get a certified bankcheck signed by the director and subdirector to  pay for my car .
With a certified check the bank takes your money directly into their bankaccount  and issue a check drafted against the bank which in theory is better then money since there are names and signatures on it

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April 21, 2008, 01:46:36 AM
Which is precisely why governments want to go cashless, because then all transactions are reported to the tax authorities.

 


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April 21, 2008, 02:59:32 AM
You said you liked Marianne
I prefer the lucky Angel

There are at least three different Marianne types plus the essai coins and medals

http://multicollec.net/1-mo-h/1h15.php

I have an Essai set in gold silver and bronze made 9 years before the 200th anniversary
It never went into "production" as far as I know

It went sooo far below melt that I surprisingly ended up to be the owner of the only three metal set in a velvet box I have
A pity they put it in soft plastic ( hard to scan )
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I like the Marianne on this one a bit better than the regular Marianne, lovely design.  BTW I hope to be an owner of one of the finest known examples of Netherlands 10 FL 1897 soon.  I am also looking for a very nice Danish West Indies 10 Daler of 1904, so beautiful and expensive.

 


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April 22, 2008, 12:00:17 AM
Since you found 18% over melt expensive on Hello Kitty I shudder to think what you are going to pay for that last one
The first one is very iffy since 90% are not slabbed and I got one that is better then any coin I have seen
but Europe is not into slabbing and I am not going to pay a slabber and return trip to the US either

Whilst browsing thru my bankvaulted pictures I found I got another
Marianne ; which being austere is the one I like best . Showing so much character I lack  :P
It is a "production " coin though ; not an essai


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April 22, 2008, 12:54:30 AM
She has the wash and toss windblown hair look :D

 


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April 22, 2008, 01:33:59 AM
She has the wash and toss windblown hair look :D


Well she has not  needed a perm (airstyling) in 15 years
She is very undemanding too  :P

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April 22, 2008, 02:15:04 AM
And that said, she is figment of our wild imaginations. :'(

 


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April 22, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
And that said, she is figment of our wild imaginations. :'(

No she is as real as gold can be  :P

and a heart of gold

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April 22, 2008, 03:42:23 AM
But.. she is only gold, and not real woman. :'(

 


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April 22, 2008, 03:54:31 AM
But.. she is only gold, and not real woman. :'(

Lucky  for me because now when my wife says I like her too she means it when she says it.  8)

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April 27, 2008, 05:57:25 AM
Bid on and won a significant 14th century English gold coin, soon to be my new oldest British gold coin.  And a beaut at that. ;D

 


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April 27, 2008, 06:17:19 AM
Bid on and won a significant 14th century English gold coin, soon to be my new oldest British gold coin.  And a beaut at that. ;D

Congratulations
I will never be a bidding contestant in that area  ;)

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June 07, 2008, 01:42:03 PM
Georgian Gold

Interesting, just wish these were a bit easier to get, wouldn't mind getting the oz and fractionals for my collection.  Georgia is just NOT one of those places I exactly trust sending money to. :o  I am going to try ti to find some Ukrainian gold in a couple of months if I go.

 


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June 07, 2008, 01:44:48 PM
Georgian Gold

Interesting, just wish these were a bit easier to get, wouldn't mind getting the oz and fractionals for my collection.  Georgia is just NOT one of those places I exactly trust sending money to. :o  I am going to try  to find some Ukrainian gold in a couple of months if I go.

 


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June 07, 2008, 11:56:10 PM
The writing looks like greek upside down to me ; but I see they got a 10 ounce coin  ;D

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June 08, 2008, 12:09:05 AM
The writing looks like chicken scratch to me, at least I can read Greek since it is the root of Cyrillic.  But you would settle for the 10 Oz coin?  They have a 1 kilogramme coin that is more desirous IMHO.

 


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The writing looks like chicken scratch to me, at least I can read Greek since it is the root of Cyrillic.  But you would settle for the 10 Oz coin?  They have a 1 kilogramme coin that is more desirous IMHO.

I can read greek because all the lettres are used in higher matematics but that does not mean I understand a word of what I can read
I never had a coin bigger then 102 grams and at the going prices that probably will stay my biggest coin I ever had  ???

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June 08, 2008, 07:32:49 AM
I have something bigger than 102 grammes, actually I think 4-5 coins, all but one of them are bronze though.

 


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June 08, 2008, 09:02:24 PM
I have something bigger than 102 grammes, actually I think 4-5 coins, all but one of them are bronze though.

Oh you are right I was thinking gold only
6 years back I bought  some heavy silver but my old scanner refused to focus thru the capsule so they are gone without scan .
Anyways they may have had legal tender in Australia but a on kilo coin is not a coin in my mind . It is only a coin in the legal sense that I pay 8% sales tax versus 18% sales tax on a bar

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June 10, 2008, 11:16:54 PM
Last night I bought two 20 FF coins, one an 1808-A with Napoleon, the other with Marianne and dated 1904, I couldn't resist at buying them both for about 2.5% over melt from a well known dealer.  The Napoleon has a scrape, but... it is a 200 year old gold coin ;D

 


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June 11, 2008, 05:10:09 AM
I can imagine the Marianne since I can get them at 1.5% over melt
The Napoleon amazes me though since I paid mine  24.5% over melt
But going by memory that year had a Laurated Napoleon in the Republic (lol) and in the empire
Mine is a Republic
I could be wrong by one year cause my reference site is down

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Emperor of the Republic lol





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June 11, 2008, 05:24:47 AM
Emperor of the Republic lol






We have had presidents, like Tricky Dick Nixon that thought they were Emperors.  Some may have even been queens. :-X

 


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June 11, 2008, 05:31:23 AM
But I guess that president did not start as an army corporal in a foreign country  ;)

And anybody can be a drag queen

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June 12, 2008, 01:05:48 AM
Even a former presidential candidate:



Something Rudy Giuliani came to regret when he ran for president, this kept coming up :o