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Chinese coins
July 14, 2010, 01:10:37 AM
These are some of the coins my friend is selling.
Can anyone verify the details on the holders.
I must admit I'm struggling with the coins.
These are both for sale if anyone wants to make an offer.


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Re: Chinese coins
July 14, 2010, 01:11:26 AM
The reverse?

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Re: Chinese coins
July 14, 2010, 01:11:58 AM
Second coin

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Re: Chinese coins
July 14, 2010, 01:12:15 AM
The reverse

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Re: Chinese coins
July 15, 2010, 10:57:31 PM
No Chinese experts out there.
Shame, I have a few more I need help with.
Where is Dannyrox, when I need him?

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
The top one does resemble a "palace coin" of the Xian Feng emperor (as seen in the introductory section of CHinese coins in Krause: "Non-circulating issues - Palace issues". However, the illustrated type for this emperor is different to the one on this coin. Also, the detail on this coin are very "mushy" - palace coins were generally of very high quality, given that they were gifts from the emperor himself to his trusted servants. There were no examples of this scarce coin on zeno to compare it to. I'd certainly be very skeptical of paying that amount of money for it.

Chinese silver dollars have been favourites of counterfeiters ever since they were issued. I'd definitely want to know the weight to be sure, but I don't really like the look of this one. The details of Li Yuan-hung's uniform seem to be melting away in the background and there's more than just the cross-stroke of the H missing from the lettering, when compared to the examples on zeno.ru

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 04:03:58 PM
Sap,

I'll pull them out of the holders and get some better pics and weights, tonight.

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
This one weighed 25.984g

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 09:19:45 PM
The obverse

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 09:20:29 PM
This one weighed 25.855g

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Re: Chinese coins
July 16, 2010, 09:21:07 PM
The other side (I don't know which is reverse or obverse)

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Re: Chinese coins
July 17, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
IS THERE ANY TRUTH THAT THESE COINS ARE COUNTERFEIT AND ARE MADE IN THE U.S.OUT OF FOOL'S GOLD BY FRIENDS OF OLE DAN ??? ??? ???

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Re: Chinese coins
July 17, 2010, 12:52:34 AM
ARE THE FRONTS AND BACKS OF CHINESE COINS CALLED ORIENTAL AND OCCIDENTAL.........JUST CURIOUS

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Re: Chinese coins
July 17, 2010, 12:57:53 AM
I turned the coin around from front to back so many times, I became dis-orient-ated.

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Re: Chinese coins
July 17, 2010, 01:11:17 AM
I HAVE HEARD THAT CAN HAPPEN ::)

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Re: Chinese coins
July 17, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
I'm afraid the new pics and information have not eased my concerns. The dollar should weigh 26.5 grams; anything 26 grams or less would be suspect.

The other side (I don't know which is reverse or obverse)

The pic in the top post is the obverse; it reads (in order top-bottom-right-left) Xian Feng tong bao. "XianFeng" is the reign-name for the emperor who ruled from 1850 to 1861 and literally means "all abundance" or perhaps more liberally, "plenty for everyone". "Tong bao" means "current coin". This is the standard obverse inscription for this emperor, seen on most cash coins of his reign except for the large multiple cash (which typically used "zhong bao" or "yuan bao" instead).

On the other side, it reads (again, in the order top-bottom-right-left) Tian xia tai ping, literally "Heaven under great peace" or more grammatically, "Peace under Heaven". This is a formula not used on ordinary Imperial money, but was one of several forms used on palace coins.

However, I think it is extremely unlikely that this particular emperor would have issued coins with this particular wish expressed on his palace coins. That's because, for most of his reign, the forces of the Taiping Rebellion occupied most of southern China. Taiping Rebel coins use an obverse formula very similar to this reverse, namely "Tai Ping Tian Kuo" (Great Peace Heaven Kingdom, or Heavenly Kingdom of Peace). The phrase "tai ping" would probably have churned the stomach of this emperor and he would not have wanted to put it on his palace coins. The palace coin of this reign illustrated in Krause is unique in using the phrase "Yi tong tian xia", meaning "One Unity Heaven Under" or "United Under Heaven". Reunification rather than peace was certainly the goal of the Qing Emperors until the rebellion was finally crushed in 1864.

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Re: Chinese coins
July 18, 2010, 11:02:23 AM
Thanks, Sap.
You are a fountain of knowledge.

I will sell these as fakes then.

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