DAN CARR' S COINS

[Templar]

IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CREDIT FOR DAN'S COINS SO HE WENT IN WITH ANACS TO HAVE HIS WORKS AUTHENTICATED

 I SENT A FEW IN AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU--HOPE YOU CAN SEE THEM CLEARLY--I TRIED TO SHOW BOTH SIDES

         YOUR SERVANT--THE TEMPLAR

[Templar]

AS YOU CAN SEE --ANACS IS USING A DIFFERENT CAPSULE

 HERE IS THE BACKSIDE
                      TEMPLAR

[Triggersmob]

What does it cost to get that done?

[Templar]

IT COST ME $145.00 FOR 7 TOKENS---THAT INCLUDED SHIPPING/AND INSURANCE--I USED THE ECONOMY TIER @$19 PER COIN

              THEIR WEb site is; www.ANACS.com
  ADDRESS:PO BOX6000--ENGLEWOOD,COLORADO 80155
 PHONE  1800-888-1861

                     I DID 5 OF DAN CARR'S TOKENS AND 2 FROM GALLERY MINT

 THEY DID A NEAT JOB I THINK??
         YOUR SERVANT--THE TEMPLAR

[Paint Your Wagon]

Please forgive me since I have NO slabbed coins and do not plan to have any
I took 5 years in learning to grade taught by a coindealer with a kean eye and lots of experience
Anacs sucks in my opinion and only ngc and maybe pcgs know what they are doing and even
with them I saw ridiculous grades that were pure idiocy in my opinion
MS 63 is an insult since a decent coin / medal only starts at MS 64 and higher
Nowadays I am calibrated to ngc and grade the same or one unit lower as witnessed by all
the coins my friend the dealer submitted

I seem to remember my friend graded all his coins with ngc and paid like 100 $ per batch of six
Here in europe a  slabbed coin will go zero dollars higher

Attached is what I think is my best coin at MS67 or higher

[longnine009]

To their credit Michael Fahey of ANACS does a detecting counterfeits column in CoinWorld every now and then.  Not often enough to suit me but at least they're doing it. And  he presents information that is actually useful and always will be.

I have no use for 11 point MS grading and their "interpretations."  I think the whole thing is worse than a  farce. It's the tail wagging the dog.

For most coins I rather have a circulated piece. It did what it's was suppose to do. Except for the Aussie 20c. I prefer  Unc. with those. I can't take looking at a blind Platypus.  

[Paint Your Wagon]

I have a database of multiple examples of overgraded coins
Rarely they undergrade a coin . All of them are the same . Inconsistent and overgrading .
It is "easy" to learn grading with a database and a good teacher.
The two most difficult things are
Deciding wheather a coin is MS or not
( Ugly die repolishing like the south americans do does not drop the grade even if the coin is full of scratches struck onto the coin ; it does not drop the grade so the coin can be buttugly and MS64
Also adjusting weight by filing the face of the coin like the french did does not drop it out of MS. Neither does slide because a collector had it in a tightfitting velvet box with drawers and there is slide on the coin )
In general though those coins do not make it higher then MS64 because of bad eye appeal
The second difficult thing with gold is to decide if the coin has been cleaned and then I mean beyond solvents acid or mechanical cleaning and retoning by open flame .Solvents cannot be detected and some specialists can clean and retone like my teacher did . In fact with acids you only bite the copper or silver part and a camel brush with very long hairs leaves no telltale traces .

In my opinion coffin makers only earn their money on old roman or other coins guaranteeing the authenticity .

[Templar]

I AM SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION--I AM NOT INDORSING ONE SLABBER OVER ANOTHER--THE COINS I SENT IN WE BECAUSE OF A COLUMN I READ ABOUT CARR AND ANACS TEAMING UP TO AUTHENTIFY DAN'S COINS FROM COPIES--I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO--NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS---SOME COLLECTORS LIKE THE COINS GRADED AND ENCAPSULATED WHILE OTHERS DON'T
    WHATEVER TURNS YOUR TOP---THE TEMPLAR

[longnine009]

PYW: "( Ugly die repolishing like the south americans do does not drop the grade even if the coin is full of scratches struck onto the coin ; it does not drop the grade so the coin can be buttugly and MS64"

Die polish has it's uses though because it's hard for counterfeiters to transfer all of it from a host coin. Breaks in die polish lines or die crack lines is an definite Uh-Oh.    They probably shouldn't get high grades though if the polishing knocked down the relief and details too much. But hey, there's always next week and new  "interpretations."  

How's this for ironic. NGC was in Beijing China trying to drum up some business from the same place that counterfeits their slabs. And PCGS was in Europe not too long ago.  You may soon know the joys of American grading standards.  

[Paint Your Wagon]

PYW: "( Ugly die repolishing like the south americans do does not drop the grade even if the coin is full of scratches struck onto the coin ; it does not drop the grade so the coin can be buttugly and MS64"

Die polish has it's uses though because it's hard for counterfeiters to transfer all of it from a host coin. Breaks in die polish lines or die crack lines is an definite Uh-Oh.    They probably shouldn't get high grades though if the polishing knocked down the relief and details too much. But hey, there's always next week and new  "interpretations."  

How's this for ironic. NGC was in Beijing China trying to drum up some business from the same place that counterfeits their slabs. And PCGS was in Europe not too long ago.  You may soon know the joys of American grading standards.  

Grading is all about making money ( for the graders )
The UK has an obscure grader .
I use american grading standards for my own because the verbal scales every european country uses are much too lose and inacurate.
Moreover most american graders now virtually nothing about old french coins which are the main collector item for many

[Paint Your Wagon]

Tell me what you think of this Louis XV

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I don't like the hit on the cheek , but above all I do not like the directional lines from top to bottom
This could be a very old cleaning and retoning

[Paint Your Wagon]

The reverse is not consistent with the obverse
This could be a very weak strike or real wear and tear especially since the rim shows the same "wear and tear"

Coffin or not ; I would not fork out any money beyond XF cleaned on this one

[Paint Your Wagon]

Of course it could be that the coin and the label are not a matching pair 

[TwoShadows]

When coins get that old I am not too concerned about grade!!! Love the metal and the history which the world does not teach its children any longer. All of you can send those dirty old cleaned coins to me and I will store them away safely for you!

[longnine009]

Is it a bad alloy mix? Or some kind of cleaning residue? I don't  know what effect cleaning residues have on gold coins but I know they will definitely screw up silver coins with that same "streaking" look. It's bad enough that a coin is dipped at all, but then the dip who dip  it couldn't even spend two minutes rinsing it off.  

Coffin, is that what they call slabs in Europe? Heeeehehe, that's a good name.  

[TwoShadows]

We have been calling them plastic coffins here in the mid-west for quite some time. I, along with others, tend to bust our recently purchased coins out of the plastic coffins while we are still at the coin shop. It is almost a ritual now as we watch the GREAT RELEASE from plastic bondage!

[Paint Your Wagon]

Is it a bad alloy mix? Or some kind of cleaning residue? I don't  know what effect cleaning residues have on gold coins but I know they will definitely screw up silver coins with that same "streaking" look. It's bad enough that a coin is dipped at all, but then the dip who dip  it couldn't even spend two minutes rinsing it off.  

Coffin, is that what they call slabs in Europe? Heeeehehe, that's a good name.  

I think I see faint adjusters mark on the reverse ( the french used an hard filing to bring the weigth down a grain or so )
So I think the coin was MS and very dirty ; and somebody used a harsh brush to clean out the dirt . The subsequent owner recognizing the problem pollished away the brush marks and adjusting marks on the reverse ; giving the impression of a weak strike
but did not dare to do it on the oberse face , whence better details . Then the coin was aged either by waiting 50 years or more likely by an open bunsen burner flame
My friend the coindealer submitted cleaned coins which came back MS65
You have to see these specialist cleaners at work to understand what the coffin makers do not understand
My impression is they only understand american coins

[Paint Your Wagon]

We have been calling them plastic coffins here in the mid-west for quite some time. I, along with others, tend to bust our recently purchased coins out of the plastic coffins while we are still at the coin shop. It is almost a ritual now as we watch the GREAT RELEASE from plastic bondage!

I have seen picture sessions of how to remove a coffin
Oh boy ; it seems very dangerous to life and limb , not to talk about the risk to the coin 
I have also seen resubmissions which will  resulted in one point higher . Seems being a coindealer
with a lot of volume (money) with a certain slabber is an advantage . Worst case is that you have to resubmit three times .
I used to grade hundreds of coins and then see what the slabber gave as a grade .
My friend used to say it depended on the graders night before ............................. if he got some........................ or much.............
or even his wet dreams come true 

[Paint Your Wagon]

Sorry the picture is so bad. This is the reverse side of the coin. It depicts Daniel's artistic rendering of the moon. The obverse is the same as the 2008 KOTCT medallion (The Lady & the Lion). I need a good scanner. How about it Santa?

If you go for a good scanner try it first because my Led driven scanner breaks up in rainbowcolors if there is not enough contrast
Depth of field is fantastic but I hate those artificial rainbows on proofs that do not have enough iced surfaces 
I got a canon 8800 with LED lighting ( bad on some coins)

[Paint Your Wagon]

Sorry the picture is so bad. This is the reverse side of the coin. It depicts Daniel's artistic rendering of the moon for his Moonlight Mint venture. The obverse is the same as the 2008 KOTCT medallion (The Lady & the Lion). I need a good scanner. How about it Santa?

A good scanner alone will not do it
You will need photoshop and you may want to look in sweden the piratebay 

[longnine009]

I'm waiting for someone to invent  "special  spin optics"  for slabs/coffins that tone down digs and gouges. Then the new mantra can be "buy the optics and not the slab."  

[Paint Your Wagon]

I'm waiting for someone to invent  "special  spin optics"  for slabs/coffins that tone down digs and gouges. Then the new mantra can be "buy the optics and not the slab."  

Wait no longer
If you are lazy or inapt the scratchremover of phothoshop will make your coin look good as new and the buyer will not even look at the coin since he got the scan
If you are willing to spend 5 minutes use the healing tool and sample an unmarked adjecent area and copy it over the damaged area ; again count on the buyer to file the pic and throw the coin in his bankvault without looking at it
If you are totally corrupt , just borrow somebodies MS68 scan and tell yourself and anybody else that is the coin

I had a rainbow effect on one of my scans ; I reset the goldcoin to black and white and removed all dust and fibres etc I then recolored to a beautifull gold tone . I passed this coin in this forum in the last contest and of course nobody saw it ; because even my coindealer friend had to ask which coin photo I doctored
I am getting good at this . Using a hairblower to clean the dust of a coin is too much work if three mouseclicks can do it