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1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 10:06:08 PM
Hi all,

I need to know the name of this error and does it affect the value of the coin or not?

The number 7 in the Hijri Date 1357 is not struck properly.

Please help.
I will post pics for both obverse and reverse just to help evaluate the coin condition "may be this helps"

Thanks  :)

Amr :) :) :)

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 10:12:13 PM
 obverse

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
Reverse

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 10:16:49 PM
another "may be it helps"

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
It looks like a 'Strikethrough', which is where a lump of (possibly) grease was on the coin when it was minted.

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 23, 2009, 11:22:26 PM
Pardon my ignorance, does this classify it as an error ?  :-\

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 01:57:07 AM
I have placed three arrows where i think this might be an error;

The 1st to the right where the number 7 is not struck properly
The 2nd "Middle" where part of the lettering seems not prominent
The 3rd to the left where i think there is a small die crack.

I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks

Amr :) :) :)

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 08:07:05 AM
This is the only coin I have, so I will borrow this pic from world coin catalog

Amr :) :) :)

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 08:13:52 AM
As far as I know [Krause is my reference] that Egyptian coins in the time of King Farouk were minted in either;
BP – Budapest, Hungary
H – Birmingham, England
KN – King's Norton, England
So, finding an error in these coins would be something special at least to me.

In this coin we are examining, and according to a friend's opinion uptill now there is THREE errors in the same coin.

a die crack,
and probably a filled die (middle arrow),
As for the 7 in the date, Could be a piece of metal on the right that got pressed on to the coin when it got struck

Would appreciate any comments.  :)

Amr :) :) :)

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 09:57:06 AM
Pardon my ignorance, does this classify it as an error ?  :-\

In my opinion, it does.  I collect these types of errors.

The following are examples of some strikethoughs.


 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 09:58:56 AM
Strikethrough

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:00:23 AM
In this case it would be better described as a die fill.  The die is filled with 'grease'

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:01:34 AM
 Another example of a strikethrough

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:16:32 AM
I coudn't see the die crack on your coin.  This is an example of a die crack.


 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:18:12 AM
Very interesting Yass.

What about the die crack, [the left arrow] do you agree.

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:20:45 AM
I coudn't see the die crack on your coin.  This is an example of a die crack.



Seems that we were posting at same time  :)

The small line extending from the number 8 to the outside of the coin.

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:22:19 AM
It is hard to determine from the photograph.  I initially thought it was another die fill / stike through.  I'll see if I can enlarge it.

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:29:41 AM
Yass,
You Mean this;

struck thru
An error caused by a foreign object that got between the dies and the planchet when a coin was struck. A common Struck Thru error is a piece of wire that leaves an indentation that is usually mistaken for a scratch.

Could this be what happened to the date.  ???

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:39:36 AM
IMHO, the error at 6 o'clock is a die fill.  The error at 9 o'clock might be a die crack but it is hard to be positive.  The error at 3 o'clock is a stikethrough (it seems that there was something between the die and the planchet.

Happy to have other's opinions.

Error collecting can be fascinating.  If you were to exame hundreds of coins of the same denomination through a (say) 5 or 10 x loupe you will pick up quite a few.  It doesn't take long to become proficient in finding them.  While you are looking at the coins, make sure that you start of with the reverse (or obverse) upright between thumb and forefinger and rotate the coin to (a) obviously examine the other side but also to (b) check for upset (rotational) errors.

There is not a great market for errors, unless they are spectacular.  Upset / rotational errors seem to have a higher value, as do broadstrikes and partial collars.

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
Yass,
You Mean this;

struck thru
An error caused by a foreign object that got between the dies and the planchet when a coin was struck. A common Struck Thru error is a piece of wire that leaves an indentation that is usually mistaken for a scratch.

Could this be what happened to the date.  ???
The following picture show a fine hair that was between the die and the planchet.  It goes through the face of the middle roo.  If this coin were to be in circulation for any period of time, it would never been seen as it would wera down very quickly.

 


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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:49:13 AM

........... If you were to exame hundreds of coins of the same denomination ..........

This would be difficult with such a coin  :)


Thanks Yass, you were very informative. Much appreciated  :)

Amr :) :) :)

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Re: 1938-1357 King Farouk 2 millieme
February 24, 2009, 10:52:33 AM
Yass,
You Mean this;

struck thru
An error caused by a foreign object that got between the dies and the planchet when a coin was struck. A common Struck Thru error is a piece of wire that leaves an indentation that is usually mistaken for a scratch.

Could this be what happened to the date.  ???
The following picture show a fine hair that was between the die and the planchet.  It goes through the face of the middle roo.  If this coin were to be in circulation for any period of time, it would never been seen as it would wera down very quickly.


WAW, It needs an eye of an expert to find such an error  :o

Amr :) :) :)

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