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Offline TwoShadows

January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 18, 2008, 11:23:56 AM
Well this ought to stir up a few posts! With 2009 rolling around quickly we bullion collectors will be eager to get our paws on the new silver eagles. I have been watching silver start a slow climb, which I anticipated, as the new year nears and new minted silver goes on the market. I believe this is all being manipulated by the players who control the market. January and February are HUGE sales months for the silver eagle so the market WILL BE forced upwards for those sales.
In the past few years I have normally paid silver spot prices plus about $2 to get the new eagles but I am now seeing dealers raising eagles to $4 and $5 over spot with the excuse that demand is exceeding supply. That is the best they can come up with for plain ole GREED. With just a few bullion dealers around the world controlling the U.S. Mint's distribution of the American Eagle uncirculated coins it appears they are now falling in line with corportate America by gouging the folks they need the most to survive. Anyone have any thoughts on what is happening and what is coming in the precious metal markets.

I do know the talk of $50 silver is now old news and many, especially those selling, are talking about new records in the future near $75 per ounce. Where  would that put other precious metals? :o

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 18, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
I would not mess with any metal that is primarily industrial driven price wise right now.  Silver, platinum and palladium are spent as long as the economy is tanking.  Gold has emotional safe haven status that drives it's price and is not affected as much as the industrial PM's.

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 19, 2008, 08:11:39 AM
I see they are offering bars of silver, gold, platinum, pallidium, lead, brass, aluminum, copper and now TIN? What's a man supposed to do? ;D

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 19, 2008, 11:35:24 AM
My Silver Purchases this year are almost zero. Gone are the days when you could purchase at or below melt. I am waiting probably in vain for the silver market to get realistic.

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 19, 2008, 01:19:53 PM
My silver purchases were very low as well. I did make up my mind to at least try and keep up with my bullion collection from various countries, which would keep me involved, if the prices were comparable to last year and I would have the feeling of adding some more silver to my holdings. Basically I held out through most of the high market prices of the year and was caught off guard when silver made the huge drop below $10 per ounce. I knew most dealers got caught holding high priced silver so I had to be picky and patient. Many dealers are still trying to unload the bullion they purchased as silver rose so they are blaming the current $4 to $5 over spot on demand. The only demand that I can see is the mere fact they are demanding we pay the price they paid last summer!!! :o (Can't blame them as selling for a loss is not good for business)

With 2009 bearing down on us I will again look very hard at those silver bullion coins to keep my series going but, after seeing what happened this year, I will be willing to ride a while before buying. The only problem I see at this time is, in my humble opinion, the January prices will probably be the lowest we see in the next 12 months. I don't see this world economy improving, regardless of what our politicians and media want to promote, so I may move quickly the first of the year. Don't we just love a good gamble?

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 20, 2008, 03:56:57 AM
The trouble with us coin collectors is, we view silver for it's beauty or just something more preferred than base metal coins, or a safe haven from  pus-boils  and their urgent programs,  rather than the symbolic meaning it may one day have for a world of lunatics.

Silver is reflective, as a mirror. Narcissists in America will have to have something to cling to when their McMansions are foreclosed and their Hump-back whales  are towed  back to the dealer. Admittedly it could be cheaper to just buy an actual mirror, but then it won't have that "moon look"  to howl at.

Mirrors reflect  backwards. How convenient is that for todays "well actually" crowd? Bushe's press secretary should be wearing a ten gallon hat made of silver.

Backwards, reversed, is-is in and of itself is delusion as wallstreet has demonstrated all too well over the last 30 years.  But at least when the Dow starts careening towards 2,000  ten million "astute investors" can  stare into a silver eagle and convinced themselves that now is a good "buying opportunity." Maybe they could push the Dow up  enough for Goldman Sach-bags  to  wring one more rally from it.

Of course none of this is provable, rationale, or logical etc. But then again anything that does follow a line of logic is hardly a candidate to be a Black Swan event..."well actually"   ;D

I'd rather have silver for what I think is coming. Either silver or stock in a company that makes motorized guillotines to lance pus boils. 


 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 20, 2008, 09:43:19 AM
The way I see silver, aside from its collector value to the numismatic community, is the fact it is a REAL HARD asset. Nobody knows when I buy, what I paid or when I sell, if I keep my mouth shut. Actually silver is more of a reality than the one that has been painted for us all our lives by the leeches in power and now the leeches have plum ran out of paint. It kills me to see the stock brokers on TV talking about investing, getting in while the getting is good? Jesz, don't they ever give up or are American's (and the rest of the world) that greedy and stupid at the same time. Bluntly put, How long does one think you can sell a worthless piece of paper before someone finally gets caught holding the bag? Your money would be safer with me than in the stock market. Perhaps now we will actually see stock as it should be----cows, pigs, goats, buffalo, ect.....NOW that is real stock!!!
I just can't see how anyone thinks the stock market, which has kept two sets of books for years, will recover from a disaster in less than a few months? It would be like 6 guys bailing water out of the Titanic to keep it afloat. Their buckets are not going to be big enough! ;D
One thing is for certain, if you have any money to play with you had best play wisely and do it on your own. Anyone who volunteers to help you has an agenda of his own!!! And that would be to take your money off of your hands, one way or another. Losing it in a casino or flushing it down the toilet would make more sense to me as at least you know where it went!!! ;)

Terry
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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 20, 2008, 09:47:41 AM
Well I made a trip to the coin shop today (just got back) to pick up a few old classics for a collecting friend in the Netherlands. While browsing I noticed three silver eagles screaming take me home! I hesitated but finally gave in to two of them. Priced about $2 higher than they should have been but I decided they would be the last silver I would buy in 2008. It should be interesting when 2009 rolls around so I have officially gone into my "wait and see" attitude.

Terry
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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
December 20, 2008, 09:48:59 AM
Well said Terry!  :)

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 12, 2009, 08:28:31 AM
It' 2009 and we will CONTINUE to get burnt on silver. My dealer says silver eagles will open at $18.00! :o

Someone tell me why?

Terry
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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 01:45:24 AM
Someone tell me why?

Because they can. Because people are anticipating hyper inflation in the U.S. The idea as it goes is that they are pumping all this money in but it's not going anywhere. It's sitting on the banker's desk to bulk up their balance sheets. But the banks have to lend money to get the interest, we are told--(like they can't put the money Hanko bonds)  So in the near future they will start lending and people will start buying again like rabid dogs and we'll have hyper inflation.

I'm not saying it won't happen that way, but I just don't believe it.  It all seems too convenient like most an ambushes are.   

 IMO, America and Americans are "spent." We are seeing giants like GM close to flat-lining because they can't compete in the world today. We like to laugh at them but we're laughing at ourselves. We as a nation have been doing the same thing GM has been doing--not successfully competing and  living beyond our means with an arrogant contempt for math and reality. We've been  living off of credit and flanking the devil for the last 40 years. Well the devil's not stupid either and  has all the flanking points covered now. IMO, it's pretty much over.  All that's left is the whining and infantile temper tantrums. Which should lead to an interesting world, to say the least.   

We focus too much, I think, on  inflation and  deflation.  World-wide Civil wars, revolutions, rebellions,  civil disorder/disobedience  and a growing then rocketing underground economy, IMO, is what lays in wait and  will do more for the price of metals, without any guessing.  Even the socialists in the U.S are going to be pissed off. Going  socialist only works when there's booty  to steal.  Corporate sach-bags already beat 'em to it. And with Americas aging population, Marxists won't even be able "squeeze the grease from our bones." Ha-ha, up yours, commies.   ;D

                      "And I'm spent." --Austin Powers

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 02:32:07 AM
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.
–Margaret Thatcher


Also on gold and silver the only true price is the ebay price where people are willing to sell and to buy
Crimex prices and published prices are a JOKE

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 04:06:06 AM
The last time I checked people were paying $6 shipping for  1 ounce silver bars. And paying $15-18  for the most common bars that I bought for $7 years before that, when people were calling silver a base metal. There must be, or was at the time, a lot of anticipation for hyper inflation.  Maybe they're right but crowd consensus scares me to death. Nature is too good at setting ambushes. The "low hanging fruit" is usually rotted.

What if people viewed gold as male and silver as female? Would they be so quick then to "predict" silver movements for the short term? Or would they worry about getting flanked with the infamous "rolling pin?"

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 04:35:56 AM
You know I make my own predictions
I predict myself still a gold high for february and then 3 months or so down or sideways ( Problem is I can only prove myself wrong in feb )
After that all the way up into january 2010


If I am wrong there are two possibilities one is that my prediction is 6 months early
the other is that I effed up completely and go brook having to eat gold and silver

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 04:54:10 AM
If you have possession of your gold I doubt you'll  have to eat it for very long.  If we get a counter-trend against silver I'm not eating anything. I'll be buying as much as I can.

The clowns "fixing" the world are the same clowns that screwed it up while trying to "fix" it the last time.  What? They'll get it right this time?  ::)

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 08:15:30 AM
They DON'T have to get it right. They have a 700 billion cushion to play with. If any of us had done what the good ole rich boys have done we would be in jail and they would throw away the key! Guess we should brace ourselves as the same ole boys are still in charge and hungry to clean up part of their mess! Screw me once, shame on you! Screw me twice, shame on me!!! I can honestly say my 401K screwing ended years ago as I got tired of feeding the bigger fish and the mere fact they would NOT tell me what my plan was actually costing me worried me a tad bit. No one else in the world can get by with what the plan administrators are doing to 401K owners and its all legal! And people are STILL dumb enough to keep pumping their hard earned money into this Titanic fund? I didn't feel much like bailing water for the long run so I simply took my loss, paid my early withdrawal penalty, which I still don't understand as it is MY money, and abandoned ship! Glad I did now! Guess I am not quite as dumb as I thought I was. Trusting one's own instincts is a gift and most individuals just can't find the faith to listen to themselves! As I have said, humans tend to be like a flock of sheep willing to let someone else lead them to slaughter! And, the slaughter will continue!

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Trusting one's own instincts is a gift and most individuals just can't find the faith to listen to themselves! As I have said, humans tend to be like a flock of sheep willing to let someone else lead them to slaughter! And, the slaughter will continue!

I really have to tip my hat to whoever is in charge of cosmic jokes. For every flock of sheep, there's a Madoff  in the bushes rubbing his hands together.  ;D

I'm waiting for the person who's charged with selling Genie's in a bottle to these Flawduh crack heads. Give it time, someone will show up.
"Yes, three wishes from Genie and 30% a month return on your investment. And we'll even throw in these magic beans. You can plant them in your back yard and they will grow a Treasury Bond...."   ::)

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 13, 2009, 11:08:10 PM
@ Old Dan
There are cycles within cycles within cycles
one minute, 5 minutes, 600 ticks,900tics , daily , weekly etc
As master cycle I use the Monthly which means my observation is on two years at least
Attached monthly chart every "candle" is one month high and lows
Bottom indicator slow stochastics tells you where you are in a Monthly cycle and as long as it has not turned red we are nowhere
scenario one ; the red = high is yet to come in february or six months later
scenario two ; we shifted to a two year cycle with janurary 2010 as high
scenario three ; the gold rush is kaput has finished
I think one holds as long as the bottom blue line goes up so we approach red and peak
PS a red candle means we were down on a finished month or down on a current month


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 04:14:25 AM
Check this out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20090114/pl_bloomberg/apiiavw6eab8;_ylt=ApW4OQnBLdf_vT0fJthr9AWs0NUE

All we have to do is give every American a $10,000 gift card to be used to purchase  Obama merchandise  and the recession is over. Imagine using your gift card to buy a Made in Detroit (on a re-tooled GM assembly line) Coffee Mug  with real space age composite imitation gold leaf for only $729.95  :o

They better hurry, Dow is doing another header this morning.

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 04:55:15 AM
Hopefully dow turns up between 7800 and 8000 for an intermezzo dragging HUI kicking and screaming with it and then I am set
for the next three months  ;D

If things go really bad you can allways try to auction the real thing on ebay lol

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 08:00:19 AM
If the economy is really sooooooooo rotten how come I never win what I am after on Ebay? The bidders there are crazier than I am or will be. There must not be a coin shop within a billion miles of most of these bidders? Either that or they know something I don't?

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 08:35:12 AM
If the economy is really sooooooooo rotten how come I never win what I am after on Ebay? The bidders there are crazier than I am or will be. There must not be a coin shop within a billion miles of most of these bidders? Either that or they know something I don't?

I question the integrity of the ebay auction results.  I think a lot of it has to be shill bidding.  I consider myself a fairly well-informed collector.  The prices some of this crap is going for is unbelievable.

 


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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
The part that really burns me is the mere fact if I put something on Ebay for sale I am lucky to get a bidder let alone break even? Every one else gets six times the normal price and mine goes for nothing? :'(

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 11:54:44 AM
I stopped selling myself on ebay for that reason. Everything I put up went for below average close prices.. I consigned some stuff last Sept and most sold for enough over the average price that I made more even after paying the consignment fees. I guess with a feedback of around 300 I am just not a big enough seller that people will pay attention to me like they do power sellers. Typical example being 1972 PCGSPR69DCAM Jeffersons (pop140ish). PCGS price was $220  which I always assumed was probably twice what they were worth. My ebay auction returned $87 after fees. The five others I consigned all generated over the PCGS price.  Sellers reputation counts for a great deal I think. It seems people will pay more for an item from a seller they know and trust than from a small fry like myself....

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 14, 2009, 01:56:22 PM
 They won't take money orders or checks anymore. Apparently I'm suppose to open a weenie checking account and use paypal so their powers sellers won't have to drive to the bank or so they can get more fees....  Un Huh

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 15, 2009, 12:05:26 AM
If the economy is really sooooooooo rotten how come I never win what I am after on Ebay? The bidders there are crazier than I am or will be. There must not be a coin shop within a billion miles of most of these bidders? Either that or they know something I don't?

I have a retired american coindealer as best friend . He says the prices I am paying in Germany and France and Austria and Spain are a lot less the the US prices
He says if I ever want to sell only US ebay will get me the craziest prices . He is into high MS coppers and he got dipped and brushed and polished with rouge and all kind of coins that were NOT conform the description . So I can understand americans only buy from powersellers at high prices to be sure they get the real thing .

I am kind of lucky . Half my bids come in at melt . But then again I got now 5 years of experiences in bidding which is an art unless there are shills . I smell shills and stop bidding and open a trap like bidding 599 from far away ;D The suckers invariable goes for 600  and is stuck with his bid

I just got my hands on the first ECU ever made at 10% below melt but unfortunately it is still in the mail  ???

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 15, 2009, 08:40:46 AM
I don't suppose you had it sent to my address did you?  ;D  If you did I will let you know when it arrives!!! ::)

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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 26, 2009, 10:00:06 AM
Do any of you guys,post or lurk over at the Kitco board????

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Offline TwoShadows

Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 26, 2009, 11:24:36 AM
Most of the collectors here keep up with Kitco! Now, concerning Ebay I wish all the collectors who DON'T want to pay Ebay and then Ebay's PayPal again for the same auction would consider registering at EPier.com. They have been around a long time and their auctions fees are $0 to submit. You only pay final value fees. Somehow we NEED to get the word out for the whole world to MOVE to ePier.com. That's what it will take to wake Ebay up!

Terry
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Re: January Silver Bullion Prices?
January 27, 2009, 02:49:46 AM
Do any of you guys,post or lurk over at the Kitco board????


I read Kitco daily and even am registered for the forums which I visit once in a while to see what they are talking about
Looks like they got a few guru figures and a disclaimer that will burn your eyes if you read it twice before logging in

I am continuously logged into capitalstool - only specialists will understand what they are dooing

http://www.capitalstool.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9368&st=20

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