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World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 12:44:47 AM
Paulson is asking 700 Billion dollars

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ae6b6P1L8E_E&refer=home


Rescue plan seeks $700B to buy bad mortgages
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is asking Congress to let the government buy $700 billion in toxic mortgages in the largest financial bailout since the Great Depression, according to a draft of the plan obtained Saturday by The Associated Press.

The plan would give the government broad power to buy the bad debt of any U.S. financial institution for the next two years. It would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue. The proposal does not specify what the government would get in return from financial companies for the federal assistance.

"We're going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly," President Bush said at the White House. Without discussing details of the plan, he said, "This is a big package because it was a big problem."

Dear CIGAs,

We wish the rescue initiative good fortune, however the problem was last reported by the BIS as one quadrillion, one thousand one hundred forty four trillion - a tad larger than $700 billion. Notional value becomes full value in bankruptcy. That is a simple fact.



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Fixing the worldwide problem with only one thousandst part of the money needed is not going to solve the problem . It is only going to buy some more time
Did you notice the nubmers allways get bigger and bigger ?

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 05:53:48 AM
I think I remember that a few weeks ago the best offers for collaterised debt was made by the chinese who were willing to pay 10 cents on the dollar . That would come to 900 Trillion loss somewhere .
If they cannot reverse those trades wow
And for the moment they are still creating more of these swaps instead of unwinding .

There are very few options left

Inflate away the problem and start anew
Restart with a new currency based on goldstandard
Renegate on all debt
And I don't want to mention the last option which starts with Pakistan and Iran etc

In all these options we common people lose  ???

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 06:52:04 AM
Free money anyone?  Come and get it.  Wanna loan on an overpriced piece of real estate, come and get it.  Want to extend credit to those with questionable abilities to pay for it five years hence, come and get it.

And now nearly 20 years after the collapse of communism, capitalism itself may well be in danger of collapse.  Greed brings down empires, has since ancient times.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 07:00:45 AM
There are very few options left

Inflate away the problem and start anew
Restart with a new currency based on goldstandard


What will happen is hyperinflation.  A return to a real and official gold standard is not possible.  There is just too d&mned much money in creation in the world, and only more to come.  Frankly I don't care to be a part of the government's fiat currency mess.  Or Paulson, and his friends on Wall Street's bailout plan.  There is only one real money, and I am not letting it thank you. 

 


Offline Paint Your Wagon

Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 07:12:13 AM
I am prepared for hyperinflation but not for a total collapse of the money heap into total deflation and depression

Deflation is going to be very hard and the collapse of the stockmarket is enough to start it

But then again the banksters do not have to worry , with all this new money this year their end of year bonus of a million dollars
is good again (unless their bank dies first)

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 07:26:01 AM
I am prepared for hyperinflation but not for a total collapse of the money heap into total deflation and depression

Deflation is going to be very hard and the collapse of the stockmarket is enough to start it

But then again the banksters do not have to worry , with all this new money this year their end of year bonus of a million dollars
is good again (unless their bank dies first)

Total collapse of the money heap just means we go back to the basics, food, water, petrol, barter, gold etc.  Civilisations have lost money through thousands of years.  It is the ones that keep the basics, or the means to buy the basics that are the survivors.

Deflation has already been happening.  Now that I am passively looking at buying another house, because this one gets too small for my family, I wonder, why pay the asking price on 5 bedroom home in this area that seller asks for?  Wait 6 months, he will ask perhaps 40% less for it then.  Then I get realistic and say, "I am not contingent on a banker's loan, and want to pay the old fashioned way, and BTW I want 25% more off the price because of that!"

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 09:20:09 AM
I saw a lot of charts which I really understand only on a macro level cause in the US there are so many loan types
But 2009 and 2010 are going to be max pain on resetting loans to higher intrest rates
and the way Ben is printing money the reset may be astronomical cause it is chinese and japanese money that decides the intrest rates
The reset could be from 3 to 20 % in the worst case if I understand it correctly
If you want to buy a house wait for reset time and high rates . In inflation 20% it is whilst in deflation crisis , no job, and no payments .

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 09:29:47 AM
Thankfully, buying a house is NOT a problem.  Getting rid of the one we have might be.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
Here's a chart on projected mort resets of various types as of Jan 2007, source Credit Suisse.


 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
I think I remember that a few weeks ago the best offers for collaterised debt was made by the chinese who were willing to pay 10 cents on the dollar . That would come to 900 Trillion loss somewhere .
If they cannot reverse those trades wow
And for the moment they are still creating more of these swaps instead of unwinding .

There are very few options left

Inflate away the problem and start anew
Restart with a new currency based on goldstandard
Renegate on all debt
And I don't want to mention the last option which starts with Pakistan and Iran etc

In all these options we common people lose  ???

Ten cents is a high figure for a  rumbling pus-boil.  Historically, bubbles end with a 90-99% loss.  If having Paulson's pus-boil  explode in your face was a good deal for anyone (other than taxpayers) then where is anyone?  Oh yeah, why the sudden urgency Hank? Are you afraid someone in congress might read something before they are told how to vote on it?

The most Paulson  is going to get from this "rescue"  is  a well earned  speaker spot at the next pimp and whore party in Uptown on Halloween. He can strut up to the microphone and say: "Your off the hook my brothers. Mission accomplished."

It will not be accomplished there either. Nobody, but nobody defies markets successfully.  The market wants **LIQUIDATION**  not liquidity. IMO, it will have it, one way or the other.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
Is it just me, how come everything big happens late Sunday night?  Call it the Sunday Night Surprise, but last night the Feds stepped in and converted Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley into holding companies, instead of their traditional investment bank status.

Guess they do it on a Sunday night to keep it from spooking Wall Street on a weekday.  We'll see in a few hours, but gold was up in Asia today.  The fact that gold is holding firm says something about the unsure status of this bailout.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 21, 2008, 11:04:39 PM
Is Saturday Night Live still on the tube on Saturday? Maybe Paulson  doesn't like competition.  He clearly doesn't like supply and demand.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 12:12:45 AM
I read in a UK publication this morning that Paulson will not get his free reign over the money and that lots of amendments to the bill are for sure .
This may mean he gets the money too late to save the world .
Gold is up to 888 and fluctuating wildly

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 12:32:48 AM
Locked in price on Saturday, and taking delivery today thank you. ;D

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 02:53:31 AM
The homeland brigade is ready to take rioters down

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 03:29:19 AM
Locked in price on Saturday, and taking delivery today thank you. ;D

Damned, my gold is already worth more than I paid for it, and I just got it.  Thanks Hanky.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 03:42:31 AM
I paypalled my friendly Parisian shop on saturday the one I got the Louis XIV and allready received the goods by post today .
The premium I paid and the postage are now allready recuperated  ;D

In Germany today the only silver coins to be had are 40% over melt  :D

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 04:09:36 AM
I read in a UK publication this morning that Paulson will not get his free reign over the money and that lots of amendments to the bill are for sure .
This may mean he gets the money too late to save the world .
Gold is up to 888 and fluctuating wildly

But he'll probably get it in time to save Goldman.  Maybe that's just one of several  cracks in the idea of  "hyper-inflation" for the U.S? I'm not saying we won't get more of it; but we have plenty right now. The governments inflation figures are the biggest joke since Baghdad Bob stumbled around outside the gate. But there does seem, at least to me, to be a couple of  major deflation factors in all this.

Like the  world, which  has been loaning us money for the last 25 years not  minding if that money slowly turns into wall paper and that there isn't anything they can do about. I don't know what countries like china and Japan will do about it,  but I think they *can* will do something.

There's  world  bond markets who, thus far, have been a bunch  derelicts instead of the vanguard of finance.  It's going to get messy if the vanguard remembers what they're suppose to do.  

Another problem: In the 70's people let their unions and COLA clauses deal with the inflation issue. In the 80's and 90's people let their credit cards deal with declining wages bought on by the same globalist puke bags that  no longer care for the same "capitalist"  arithmetic they used to make  American labor  feudal serfs to Korporate Amerika. I wouldn't make the assumption that Americans can support high prices for a long time with hefty  pay checks, strong unions, or  home equity lines. I doubt most even have the resources to buy a brick to throw in a riot--or the energy to pick up a rock. Even the riots will have to be  "off-shored"   presumably to   angry Dali Lama monks  if Adam Smith's "division of labor" is correct.   :o

Another problem, the biggest IMO: The economic torch is leaving the U.S and looks, so far at least, to be going to china.  It was uneventful when it passed to us in 1914 from England. We choose to finance the war for them because we held more of their IOUs than Germany. And because Woodrow Wilson guzzled  some  bath tub gin or something one night and decided he was the Great  Holy Angel  destined to save Europe. Still, England could no longer kid themselves that they were the economic giant with their little weenie cousin there loaning them money.  But the U.S and England  have  the same language and similar cultures, so the "transfer of power" was uneventful. We're ain't  kissing cousins with china. And they have no reason that I can think of for wanting to decorate their living room walls  with expensive Treasury bonds. In fact Paulson better chill out or they just might stop shipping wax.  What then will he he use to buff his head with before going to the pimp and whore party on Halloween?







  

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 09:32:01 AM
For Japan and China it is now just a matter of throwing good money after bad money
If they stop buying US treasuries they lose most of what they allready got
If only they would start buying silver and gold  :P

I read history and it took England only three generations to go from a worldpower to a broke  island

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 02:33:19 PM
Stock market is already tanking again. Maybe Hank can make some room in the pork bellies pit for trading  PHCs---Pending Hallucination Contracts?   

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 22, 2008, 08:37:32 PM
On capitalstool they call the bankers pigmen


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 23, 2008, 12:09:26 AM
"Hank, Hank, save us Hank!"
"Dude I'll give ya 20 cans of chrome-dome polish and 10 buffing rags if ya pull me out the water."
"Ah...we don't want war-ter....save us Hank"

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 23, 2008, 01:23:47 AM
Oink Oink Paulie why did you let our brother lehmin die ?
Cause you only wanted to save Goldpig Sack ?
After you got 500 million dollars tax free that is understandeble

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 23, 2008, 01:28:38 AM
We interrupt this program to show that monthly gold yesterday gave a crossover in slow stochs which could mean gold going up into feburary  8)
Let the games continue pleeze


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 23, 2008, 02:51:38 AM

Let the games continue pleeze


The games have only just begun.   Both conservatives and liberals  have accused each other of engaging in "class warfare" over the years. They better be careful with this.  The sheep are willing to believe anything right now as long as it comes with a  check, voucher, bailout, chrome-dome polish or bottle of Prozac. 

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 23, 2008, 04:39:53 AM
Told ya the games have only just begun.  Here's Mini-Me going through the standard issue "your McJob is at stake here"--as if anyone who still has one cares.  Still.... what good is a shake down racket with out a threat?  See Chrome-Dome in the back ground there? In the picture where Dodd is telling Mini-Me what a cracker jack job  he's doing? Chrome-Dome looks like he's mad at Mini-Me. What's up with that?  If Mini-Me  stole Chrome-Dome's head polish, he must be incensed at the idea of that there is actually  corruption in Chrome-Dome Polish.  Is there no honor amongst hookers?

To be continued....

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 24, 2008, 09:01:23 PM
The 700 Billion may not be for this week
In that case the weekend is going to be a crisis again  ???

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 24, 2008, 09:31:21 PM
Greed and corruption and NO ONE is going to jail? I would start selling off their assets and recover what I could, up to and including, personal bank accounts. Probably find that 700 billion if they looked hard enough! ;D

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 24, 2008, 10:21:30 PM
Don't know about others here, but you might wanna be watching your bank's stock ticker over the last couple of years and see how they are performing.  One of my banks is spread a bit thin, and I will be moving accounts.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 24, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
Greed and corruption and NO ONE is going to jail? I would start selling off their assets and recover what I could, up to and including, personal bank accounts. Probably find that 700 billion if they looked hard enough! ;D

I like the way the FBI is now going to investigate Fannie and Freddie. Why now, why haven't they been doing that? Too many embarassing questions that's why! Like why was the Secretary of Treasury who  thus far has made 68 trips to china, so quick to bail out two companies that china just happens to be one of the biggest bond holders for. 

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 12:00:05 AM
The 700 Billion may not be for this week
In that case the weekend is going to be a crisis again  ???

They'll just come back and say: "Feed me sucker."
http://baytown.littletheater.org/images/littleshop.jpg

They're already forming a line behind the banks. Next is GM and  Ford.  "Feed me too sucker."

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 12:10:41 AM
Yesterday there was a bankrun in Hong Kong like in the book the Fire Dragon
Of course they say the rumour that caused the run had no reason to be .


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 01:45:57 AM
Since at this point in time we cannot do much about Toyota et al let's give 25 billion to our inefficient carmakers so that they can go on making innefient cars and Oh do not worry this money is separate from the 700 billion

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83bfe68c-8a8f-11dd-a76a-0000779fd18c.html

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 01:48:38 AM
Ah yes and another 150 billion for FDIC bail out because the banks are failing too fast

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=amZxIbcjZISU

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 02:17:30 AM
I just got that sincere warm fuzzy after Dubya gave his perfunctory little quip last night about the state of the economy, and how his administration oversaw the whole crises unfold.  All I can say to him is:

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 05:09:27 AM
I have the feeling all this is just foreplay, so just wait until it becomes serious!

I am afraid you are right
Somebody called this a trainwreck in slow motion

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 05:23:05 AM
Scottishmoney,
A very appropriate emoticon, LOL!

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trainwreck in slow motion

Agreed--it's like a really bad Hollywood movie, where the audience figures out the pitiful plot in 5 minutes.
Meanwhile, Congress nudges 700 Bn towards an event horizon of illiquidity. That will fix it!

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 06:08:19 AM
some form of framework agreement was reached on the 700 billion and Billy Grossy is allready saying 500 billion more are needed

People in the know predicted 1.5 trillion this year and a revision to 4.5 trillion after january and then a revision to 13.5 trillion
this is what happened with the Iraq financing And ho do not worry it will be off the balance sheet both Iraq and Save the world will only
be visible to the highest qualified accountants . ( and the Chinese )


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 07:13:30 AM
Nobody can possibly bail out that level of illiquidity.  :o   >:(
If that's the true nature of the losses, it's basically "game over" for the credit/financial system--and the pigs that fed from that trough.
When I consider how many business/goods/services were built on a credit-leveraged model, the downside will be staggering.
Sigh...I better get back to coins, this is depressing me.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 08:12:36 AM
I have the feeling all this is just foreplay, so just wait until it becomes serious!

Yep, the American public are going to get sc###ed!

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 08:47:47 AM
And ALL the rich boys in charge will sit safely on the millions they made as the government does not have the balls to go after the rich boys in their little country club. No need to as our children would be happy to pay off their sloppy managment practices and all their buyout packages. It is called greed and corruption and it has been fueled by government officials that are in on it up to their necks! Just another classic example of the good ole boys taking care of the good ole boys at someone else's expense. We don't need a war anywhere else as we got one right here at home. The only dfference is the mere fact the taxpayers have not started shooting back!!!

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September 25, 2008, 02:23:39 PM
Seems they do things a bit differently in India.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4810644.ece

 


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September 25, 2008, 10:02:05 PM
I feel very sorry for you Lads and Lassies over there in the 'States.
Please take that as a sincere statement, no bulls#it. :( :(
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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
As you all know by now WaMu the biggest american "bank" went bankrupt and was seized by government people this night
It is the biggest bank in the world ever to go belly up
Shareholders lost all Most bondholders lost all Dopositors may be business as usual for now .I think JP Morgan takes over the local outlets

I read in Europe Deutsche Bank is leveraged 50 to 1 and that Europe probably is as bad as the US but hiding it sofar

I got no comment on the snippet plus link. Link saying that a fighting brigade from Iraq was returned to the US and provided with tazers and maze to quell rioting in the US streets .I think they are now Homeland security brigade .

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 11:09:37 PM
You should all look at the share price of your bank
Wamu was down to 2 dollars a share day before the takeover

My primary bank went from 38 euro to 5.55 today . On TV again today they were saying how strong they are and that
the shareprice does not reflect this . If this is true somebody will buy them the next few weeks.

I have been moving a lot of furniture and eating utensils to other banks  ::)
Problem is I do not know who the last man standing will be in continental Europe

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 25, 2008, 11:37:29 PM
I have been following my banks stocks for a year now, very interesting and the cause of my moving penny hoards from this one to that one etc.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 12:00:04 AM
Wamu  is a bank? I though that was  a whale at SeaWorld.    :o

Prozac! Ah, that's better:

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 02:10:38 AM
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/

"...The shift from a marginally functional nation-state in manageable decline to a hollow state often comes suddenly, through a financial crisis. This crisis typically has the following features:

    * Corporations and connected individuals systematically loot the nation-state of financial assets and natural resources through a series of insider/no cost deals. These deals are made to "save" the nation's economy or financial system from collapse...."

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 02:52:51 AM
i just was in a computershop buying an 8 giga usb memory stick and they were playing i do not know what video or tv station on the lcd screens they sell
A very intresting vid was showing guys with revolvers like robbing a person and then the text WHEN THEY HAVE TAKEN EVERYTHING THEY NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL OVER YOU  of course I was thinking immidiately of governments et al

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 02:55:19 AM
Wamu  is a bank? I though that was  a whale at SeaWorld.    :o

Prozac! Ah, that's better:

"Hello Crome-Dome what's cha knowing, I've come to watch your Bull#@&% growin'
Ain't cha got no lies for me, do-it-do-do, feelin' groovy..."


If I am not mistaken WM or Wamu like they call it on finance boards is Washington Mutual now JP Morgan

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September 26, 2008, 04:17:32 AM
WaMu, RIP.  The biggest bank failure in over 23 years happened quietly in the middle of last night, amidst all the turmoil over the bailout for the corporate fairies that screwed their country, and their customers.  JP Morgan Chase steps forward, through some chicanery lined deal with the Federal Reserve to buy up WaMu's appreciable assets whilst apportioning off the losers to the Fed.

In days of old CEOs thus would have had some option at this point:

1. Leave the country and head to Latin America, preferably some non-extradition country like Paraguay or Bolivia.
2. Go for a swim in San Francisco bay like the CEO of Bank of California did, and turn up days later bobbing on the Oakland shoreline.
3. Get caught and hanged, like numerous less than admirable characters in the 19th century.

Nowadays they get a golden parachute, a cute 25 year old blonde accomplice, and a country club setting to live out their days.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 04:38:17 AM
Wamu  is a bank? I though that was  a whale at SeaWorld.    :o

Prozac! Ah, that's better:

"Hello Crome-Dome what's cha knowing, I've come to watch your Bull#@&% growin'
Ain't cha got no lies for me, do-it-do-do, feelin' groovy..."


If I am not mistaken WM or Wamu like they call it on finance boards is Washington Mutual now JP Morgan

A move any good pirate would make.  They'll plunder WaMu  like any good pirate then give the  bildge water to the taxpayers to drink.   If the taxpayers gag on  it they'll take the  economy hostage and make it "walk the plank."  Funny how wallstreet and politicians are   exempt from Terrorism.

"Five hundred  banks on a taxpayers chest
Yo-ho-ho and bottle of rum...."

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 05:00:19 AM
It is not the CEO's that got us in this mess but the computer mathematical wizzkids that thought they could model the risk of the unknown into a managable formula and the Masters of the Universe who packaged it levered 50 to 1 and sold it to americans and the rest of the world
Some CEO's probably only saw the earnings

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September 26, 2008, 05:04:19 AM
It is not the CEO's that got us in this mess but the computer mathematical wizzkids that thought they could model the risk of the unknown into a managable formula and the Masters of the Universe who packaged it levered 50 to 1 and sold it to americans and the rest of the world
Some CEO's probably only saw the earnings

The CEO's should have seen it, but they were more apportioned to their golf game in the Hamptons and jet setting off to Tahiti for important financial matters.

 


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September 26, 2008, 05:13:36 AM
It is not the CEO's that got us in this mess but the computer mathematical wizzkids that thought they could model the risk of the unknown into a managable formula and the Masters of the Universe who packaged it levered 50 to 1 and sold it to americans and the rest of the world
Some CEO's probably only saw the earnings

That I'm sure will be their excuse..."I was out of the loop." Ken Lay ran that one into the ground.  They're CEO's, they're suppose to know. If they didn't maybe they should return  their paychecks and bonuses to the stockholders, since the paper boy could have done what they did and  a lot cheaper.  On second though hang them all and let God sort it out.   >:(

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And they lay there that took the plum
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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 05:18:25 AM
It is not the CEO's that got us in this mess but the computer mathematical wizzkids that thought they could model the risk of the unknown into a managable formula and the Masters of the Universe who packaged it levered 50 to 1 and sold it to americans and the rest of the world
Some CEO's probably only saw the earnings

The CEO's should have seen it, but they were more apportioned to their golf game in the Hamptons and jet setting off to Tahiti for important financial matters.

In some cases like probably the Societé Générale in France the bank president did not want to know where the billions came from because the simple question would return an answer that would make the billions stop coming . So they accused a trader Jérome Kervel of trading billions without their knowing ( and being guilty of losing after all the winning years ) He ( the trader) was taken into police custody and accused of being like the sole reason SG lost all those billions . It is reported that notwithstanding the accusations Jérome has a new better paying job  ???  Rumours are that he got paid handsomely for being a scapegoat  ???

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September 26, 2008, 05:33:05 AM
Yep, just like the Wall St. whizzed kids, they get their 25 year old hottay, a private jet, and a life of Riley.  The BdF scandal had scapegoat written all over it, you cannot tell me in a well run institution that billions of Euros could get moved around like that without oversight.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 05:39:07 AM
Maybe I should post this under jokes
This is the verdict of the market makers in insolvancy insurance
Original poested on Capitalstool

McDonalds has a lower risk of default, as expressed in the Credit-Default Swap market, than the United States Federal Government.


Just found the link

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/593-CONGRESS-STOP-AND-THINK!.html

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September 26, 2008, 05:41:00 AM
It is not the CEO's that got us in this mess but the computer mathematical
  Rumours are that he got paid handsomely for being a scapegoat  ???

Corporations, "capitalism" and CEO's have become such scumbags it's not really a hard rumor to believe. There were rumors that Ken Lay isn't dead either. That records were faked, and the private funeral was faked. CEO's and their stooge politicians better wake up.  This is what the world thinks of them:
http://www.kenlayisalive.org/ken_lay_sightings.php

 


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September 26, 2008, 05:55:17 AM
I worked contract in auditing for Enron briefly in 1995, and remember seeing Ken Lay up on the trading floor in the middle of the night and wondering what was up.  Even at the time I thought they were a rather "funny" company.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 06:42:58 AM
"JPMorgan Chase & Co. raised $10 billion in a stock sale to cover writedowns and losses after taking on deposits and branches of Washington Mutual Inc., the biggest U.S. savings and loan, for $1.9 billion. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...6ipk&refer=home

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September 26, 2008, 07:33:11 AM
At the moment I cannot find the link again, but I saw a little side blurb in a news item today that the Chinese government was informing Chinese banks to withhold loans to American banks.

 


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September 26, 2008, 08:31:31 AM
Interesting snippet on Bloomberg.
Is anyone aware of the depth of the credit crunch to European banks?
The anecdotes I get from friends in Scandinavia are that consumers and banks overleveraged themselves.

 


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September 26, 2008, 08:40:42 AM
Interesting snippet on Bloomberg.
Is anyone aware of the depth of the credit crunch to European banks?
The anecdotes I get from friends in Scandinavia is that consumers and banks overleveraged themselves.

Indeed there is one Norwegian institution which recently found itself put out by the USA crisis.

 


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September 26, 2008, 09:30:05 PM
As an ignorant lad from yhe back blocks of Oz, I feel like I want to puke. (disgusted)
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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 26, 2008, 11:15:58 PM
The US banks generated nearly a quadrillion dollars that have now zero value
There are two European banks leveraged 50 to 1 but I only found the name of Deutsche Bank so I do not know the second bank
Our ad temp interim prime minister and the finance minister and the insurer of banks is going to have talks about Fortis a big Dutch Belgian bank where helas I have been for 40 years but they got into problem buying ABN Amro bank thinking they could finance it later . NOT so.

A real bank not hungry to kill itself should be leveraged max 12 to 1 but the US abolished this requirements during boomtimes

An easy read resume can be found here

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/martenson/2008/0331.html

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 28, 2008, 05:13:24 AM
The fate of Fortis what used to be my only bank untill a year ago is being decided today
They are still being difficult wanting too much to be saved by other banks
The Belgian government is reported to have opened a credit line with the ECB central bank and nationalisation tonight is one of the options
They have to find a solution before Australian markets open in a few hours

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ahSLUmOopfSY&refer=home

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 28, 2008, 12:30:55 PM
You want us to send  the  Panzerfaust over there to flank the deflationary enemy and destroy him? Why the war is almost over here thanks to Hankie. Our economy is up, up and away from here on out.  ::)

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 28, 2008, 10:22:49 PM
Dominoes are starting to fall
Fortis got a bailout of 11.2 billion euro from the governments of belgium and luxemburg and holland
In return the states got 49% of Fortis in each country
But Fortis shares are still lower today ( too little too late )
Dexia lost 30% today and the government allready said they were going to help
We only have like 6 large banks so this is going to be over quickly

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 28, 2008, 11:26:30 PM

Dexia lost 30% today and the government allready said they were going to help
We only have like 6 large banks so this is going to be over quickly

http://www.worldwar2aces.com/panzerfaust4.jpg
We must dispatch our glorious Panzerfaust to Europe at once! Your are encircled by capitalist schwein who want pay market value.  No! Never!  Privatize the profits, socialized the losses.  Long live the Korproateland!

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 12:19:15 AM
 :D

Here, in India, Experts say that it will take 10 years to over come the effects of
Leghman Brothers
Merril Lynch
Wamu etc.,

George

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 12:45:27 AM
That's how long it will take here too.  Goldman's golden boy just  thinks  he  can defy markets.  Wait until the Panzerfaust gets a counter-battery up his #$%.   

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 02:22:38 AM
It will take several generations
10 years is way too optimistic

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 02:28:25 AM
I cannot get any money at my bank Fortis today
The computer did not proces the day account into the spending account  ??? ??? ???
In the meantime the stockprice is still falling notwithanding a 11 billion euro bailout because the stockholders have seen from the US that they and the bondholders get zero and the depositors are protected

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 03:05:29 AM
You might be right considering these  crack heads over here "fixing it." Ever wonder where that 700 billion dollar figure came from? Here it is:

"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number."

http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/09/23/bailout-paulson-congress-biz-beltway-cx_jz_bw_0923bailout.html 


 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 03:33:44 AM
Oh but the number is fitting in view that some cite the problem as being 700 trillion so it is one part in thousand

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 04:16:22 AM
You might be right about that as well since the crack addicts "improved"  the bill  to includes bail outs for union pensions and the debt of states, counties and cities.

Some of the non-addicts that were on the radio this morning claim that the emails and phone calls coming in from "We The People" are running 9/1 against.  Let's see how "We" do today.  ???

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 05:45:00 AM
Come on, back to reality now, you don't really think that "We the people" applies in this day and age of masters and minions?

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 06:04:22 AM
I think there was an indian tribe that called themselves the people ( read it somewhere in centennial those guys counting coups and all )
So you may find a few "'we the people" selling pottery on a reservation

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 07:57:24 AM
Like it or not the American people do not seem to want to bailout Wall Street and some of their representatives responded.

 


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September 29, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
Vote: 205 Yes 228 No
full vote tally here.

No
95 Democrats voted no
133 Republicans voted no

Yes

140 Democrats voted yes
65 Republicans voted yes

 


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September 29, 2008, 09:51:41 AM
The Democrats were going around claiming the Republicans shot it down, but there was a sizable Democratic no vote also.  Face it, some of these congressmen and women know that the average American thinks this is a bailout for rich Wall St. Banks.  I have also heard that when they were trying to come up with the 700 Billion amount, they just pulled out a number that they thought would be much higher than actual, but some question whether it could go as high as 2 trillion dollars.

And Wachovia goes down, and Fortis goes under, and the Bank of England takes an English bank under it's cover, and same in Germany.  This after WaMu was the largest bank failure ever last week.

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 01:17:30 PM

How do you know the financial crunch has affected Britain?

Will there be fries with that?

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 02:13:43 PM
Come on, back to reality now, you don't really think that "We the people" applies in this day and age of masters and minions?

I don't  believe  it ever applied. Or if it did it ended with Hamilton's Assumption Law--bailout for bond and currency speculators.

Thank you Aaron Burr.

 


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September 29, 2008, 02:20:53 PM

So you may find a few "'we the people" selling pottery on a reservation

Maybe they can out source that to displace stock brokers? It would almost be like selling pencils or apples.  ;D

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 02:27:31 PM
And slap the offending CEOs with 100 hours community service. With their connections, they could easily help in fundraising for various poverty/relief efforts--or doing actual work.. Get their hands dirty with reality for a change--they need perspective.

In other news, I see Dexia may be in trouble too.  :(

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 08:52:55 PM
On sunday night Fortis bank was saved by Belgium and Luxemburg and Holland for 11.2 bilion euro which is about half of their stockcap and in return every government got 49% of the shares so that it cannot be called a nationalisation  ;D

Today Dexia is bailed out yet again by Belgium and Fance and Luxemburg for 6.2 billion ( notice figures are getting smaller )

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHAP1IVm_wLY&refer=home


Lucky for Belgium there are only 5 or 6 big banks and the insurance fund is still intact

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 29, 2008, 10:38:06 PM

How do you know the financial crunch has affected Britain?

Will there be fries with that?


Rather more, would you happen to appreciate Grey Poupon with that?

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 30, 2008, 05:10:41 AM

How do you know the financial crunch has affected Britain?

Will there be fries with that?


They only have fish and chips ( I liked them when they were hot before the fat got solid )
I saw in Spain that when they get real french fries they ask for vinegar and pour that over the fries  ::)

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
September 30, 2008, 10:16:53 AM
They only have fish and chips ( I liked them when they were hot before the fat got solid )
I saw in Spain that when they get real french fries they ask for vinegar and pour that over the fries  ::)

They do in Canada too, I prefer either vinegar or mayonnaise like in that country in BeNeLux that likes them too.  I don't care for ketchup/catsup/katsup on anything but eggs.

 


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September 30, 2008, 10:17:38 AM
A sign of the times ahead, when 499 of the stocks on the index went down in value, 1 went up, Campbell's Soup. Go figure.

 


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September 30, 2008, 12:10:55 PM
A sign of the times ahead, when 499 of the stocks on the index went down in value, 1 went up, Campbell's Soup. Go figure.
Someone is going to make a killing on soup kitchens  ;D

 


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September 30, 2008, 02:13:54 PM
Especially if Goldman Sachs owns them and gets to invoice the government for bowls of soup. 

"Would you like to exercise a biscuit option to go with that?"

 


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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 01, 2008, 01:28:55 AM
At the risk of sounding crazy , which I don't mind
Since my bank went belly up and had to be bailed out by three governments of the BeNeLux I started wondering if my other premonitions were going to come to pass too .
So I got like 150 pounds yesterday and today .
I made the presumption of no electricity or gaz
So I bought a hundred cans of soup and sterilised potatoes in glass bocals and rice and tuna tuna tuna fish cans and Nasigoreng etc
I also put three months worth of cash in a bankvault since even before and after my bank went under getting into the bankvault was no problem
I am only strapped for selfdefense since legally the biggest thing I can have is a steak knife  ???
In the meantime I am a major buyer on ebay  ;D Maybe my last feeding frenzy  ???

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 01, 2008, 01:31:19 AM
PS the soup is all Knorr since Campbells only comes in cardboard containers here I think

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 07, 2008, 05:45:02 AM
I have not enought time to start a new thread

Time is up no more word tranquility not even for a week

Total collapse of Dow Jones could be on wed or thursday

I have been trolling forums all day and not a single ray of sunshine anywhere

Dexia belgium and france are going under because of a daughter in USA they will try to firewall off
can you believe they asked a former prime minister of belgium to be chief ?

Train and bus and post and schoolteacher went on strike yesterday in belgium cause they want more money  ::)

Fortis is now BNP Paribas  :'(





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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 07, 2008, 07:12:29 AM
There can be NO more money for the average worker in the world. What the rich crooks don't have the CEO's of bankrupt corporations are guaranteed to buy them out of their position. Thats not to mention the stock options, but at last, those options are not worth the paper they are printed on. How is a terminated CEO ever going to make it in the world? :'(

I guess I didn't think I would ever see the day when a fired employee would be paid millions just to leave? Of course I never thought a grown man would get millions to play a kids game either! ;D

And, last but not least, the whole damned thing is being staged and the media is feeding the frenzy. Guess the world is waiting on a great savior to pull us all out of the fires of h___, er I mean, the rich and the governments who are all in it together. Something very very BIG is coming and those who are in control know they need to SCARE us into it as a sane and comfortable man/woman would never buy into it under normal circumstances. Someone has an agenda and we are about to be fed to the sharks and don't even know it.  Mark my word!

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 07, 2008, 07:17:39 AM
By memory

Several years ago somebody became president of the belgian railroad and left after four weeks and got like five million dollar in separation money

Something wicked our way is coming but the name is CDO collaterised debt like half a quadrillion dollars not worth the paper or computer disk they are written on

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Re: World Tranquility for another Week
October 07, 2008, 07:48:49 AM
Darling I love you  :P
Please take over Flanders  ::)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7657422.stm

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