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longnine009

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The latest dog and pony show
July 19, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
Remember the gas tax holiday? The must've put Charlie (the dog and pony show man himself) Crist in charge of that one. They were just kidding. Now they want to raise gas taxes. But at least this time it's not for the chee-drins, it for well heeled paving contractors.

Oooh, here's a good one: "Other ideas that will be on the table when lawmakers write a bill next year including more toll roads and public-private partnerships, congestion pricing and user fees where drivers pay a tax based on how many miles they drive."

They are just so full of really cool ideas, aren't they? Don't forget to vote now--and twice if you live in Miami.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080719/ap_on_go_co/gas_tax_highways;_ylt=Au.iaE18EuSVKP4RZxMj73qyBhIF

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
July 28, 2008, 11:58:47 PM
Since you mentioned Miami and I am only minutes away, I thought you might like this it comes from  another forum board  (thanks to ozamerica yahoo group)

I Received the following from a friend in Australia.
Bar Stool Economics,
something to which we ALL can relate!

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. They could all just pay $10 since they all drank beer or
if they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
like this:

The first four men (the poorest of the 10) would pay nothing. The fifth
would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The
eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the
richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed OK with the
arrangement until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are
all such good and faithful customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the
cost of your daily beer bill by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just
$80.'

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realised if they divided the $20 savings by six they could each
reduce the amount they were paying by $3.33. But if they subtracted that
from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each
end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it
would be fair to reduce each man's bill the same way Tax Savings are
dispersed, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%
savings) - so 5 men are drinking for free. The sixth now paid only $2
instead of $3 (33% savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%
savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth
now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth (the wealthiest)
now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before.. And the first four
continued to drink for free, now along with the 5th too. But once
outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their total dollar
savings. 'I only got a dollar out of the $20' declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man: 'but he got $10!' 'Yeah, that's right,'
exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that
he got ten times more than I!' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man.
'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the
breaks!' 'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. '$20 was
given back and we didn't get anything at all. This system exploits the
poor!' The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night, the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat
down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,
they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is
how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the
most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.


David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not
understand, no explanation is possible.

rggoodie
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Offline TwoShadows

Re: The latest dog and pony show
July 29, 2008, 07:54:45 AM
I think the rich man has already gone over seas! Gone are his investments in the U.S. Worker and their families. The illegals brought in cheap labor so the middle class worker has nowhere to go except downward. Bottom line, in my mind, is a NATIONAL SALES TAX where everyone pays the exact same taxes based upon their spending. If you are already poor you don't have any money to spend so it can't hurt you any more than what taxation is already doing!!!
Do away with the life long welfare system and return the program to helping those who have fallen upon hard times. It should NOT be a way of life and the taxpayers should not be providing free drugs and beer for those who won't work! And last but NOT least, right after sending all the illegals back home, do away with the Internal Revenue Monster that employees thousands and thousands. With all that money knowledge they surely can find a job somewhere else where we the taxpayers won't have to support their lifestyle either!!! ;D

Terry
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"Life's a Lemon, I want my money back!" (Meatloaf)
 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
July 31, 2008, 02:52:06 PM
Why not get rid of the DEA and let people kill themselves with drugs if that's what they want to do. Allow the drug companies to produce what might be the only thing they can produce that actually works. And tax it. Use those taxes and the money saved by  getting rid of some government thugs and reduce taxes with it. The DEA, and ATF can always  go to work for Blackwater where their "skills" will be more appreciated.

Which reminds me, murderers--do we really need them? Why not throw them into football stadiums and make them fight like gladiators. That's what they like isn't it--killing people? Of course it won't be the same when the other guy is equally armed and trying to kill them, but what the heck, that what  sells tickets.

Oh yeah, what about the Census Bureau? What do they do for other 9 years--eat jelly donuts?

Homeland security. Yeah right! I feel so secure knowing that any terrorist can just walk across the border into California or any other border state. Send the Department of Homeboys Job Security down to the labor pool. Even there they'll be over paid.




 


Offline AdamL

Re: The latest dog and pony show
July 31, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
Longnine, your last post may seem a bit extreem. But I can't say that I completely disagree ;)

-Adam
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Re: The latest dog and pony show
July 31, 2008, 05:40:09 PM
The amount of money wasted by the Government is more than I can start to understand.  Earmarks, congessional salaries and perks, the war, the bailouts.  Will it slow in time to save the middle class?

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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 01, 2008, 02:22:55 PM
The  middle class is the host that all the parasites are feeding off of. Right now they're sucking pretty hard and the host might die. What will the parasites  do then? Get jobs?  Compete for contracts? Heeheheh, rhetorical question.

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 01, 2008, 02:49:30 PM
"I think the rich man has already gone over seas!"

Yes--they off-shored their money into Euros and the like years ago. At least this is what I've heard.

And, if I might add--the middle class has been their own worst enemy by succumbing to a credit-leveraged lifestyles since the '80s--if savings rates and debt burdens are any indication. Granted, they're being leeched dry by business models which sell people an "attitude" or "lifestyle" (Who exactly needs a $500 cell phone?--everybody who is anybody!)  I'm highly cynical after working some years in advertising and seeing how marketing campaigns punch people's buttons. I shed a "crocodile tear" for the people who leveraged the McMansion in an interest-only mort, followed by his and her Jags leveraged on "appreciation".  There has been a widening gap between the "middle class lifestyle", and what it truly can afford--and now the bills are coming due.

--just my .02 of a rant, lol.

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 01, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
After reading this thread I really feel sorry for you chaps in the States'
Maybe it's not too much different here in Oz but at least we have a decent
border fence ;D
Me, I've got to pension age and still don't know how to use a cell phone. Maybe
I'm luckey.
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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 02, 2008, 06:25:58 AM
We currently have three grandkids visiting.

They know more about cell phones, and the TV remote, than I ever will.  And, that doesn't bother me a bit.

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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 02, 2008, 10:52:11 AM
"I think the rich man has already gone over seas!"

Yes--they off-shored their money into Euros and the like years ago. At least this is what I've heard.

And, if I might add--the middle class has been their own worst enemy by succumbing to a credit-leveraged lifestyles since the '80s--if savings rates and debt burdens are any indication. Granted, they're being leeched dry by business models which sell people an "attitude" or "lifestyle" (Who exactly needs a $500 cell phone?--everybody who is anybody!)  I'm highly cynical after working some years in advertising and seeing how marketing campaigns punch people's buttons. I shed a "crocodile tear" for the people who leveraged the McMansion in an interest-only mort, followed by his and her Jags leveraged on "appreciation".  There has been a widening gap between the "middle class lifestyle", and what it truly can afford--and now the bills are coming due.

--just my .02 of a rant, lol.


I agree! A lot of the parasites feeding off the middle class are other middle class, who now want the fed and treasury to dump their screw ups on the backs of taxpayers.  Banks, brokerages, and wallstreet want the same favors. And  Ben the lesser and the Goldman Sachs stooge  go along with it. I'm sorry, I don't care what they call this crap,  it's  not capitalism. Capitalism rewards intelligence and punishes stupidity. What's been going on in this country for the last 25 years is some kind of hybrid  between  communism and corporate fascism. 

All we need now is the pinky ring preacher with the  pompadour haircut shilling  the virtues of the Bilderbergs,  globalism, and a one world government,  and we'll have it all.

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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 03, 2008, 12:12:59 AM
I have a cell phone for such things as emergencies while out on the road or on a hunting trip. I can't afford to be out on the road any longer which means I can't afford to hunt so my cell phone goes virtually unused? I watch people wander along with their faces stuck to that little addiction not even aware of the world around them and I have seen this around the clock. Can't help but wonder who in the world are they talking to at three in the morning?
All this technology is making us lazy and our kids (this generation) are going to grow up totally ignorant of the world around them. My little guy will probably hate me some days but I intend to keep him safe from the stupid crap as long as I can. He needs to know what is real and what is not. Groceries do NOT come from a grocery store and there is more to life than a TV and video game. I have seen adults acting like small children standing in lines for hours to purchase new games and they are NOT for the kids. What we are seeing is a whole new addiction that is going to be far worse than drugs or alcohol and its legal!!! :'(

Terry
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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 03, 2008, 01:56:44 PM
I bought one of those  Nokia pay as you go cell phones. I paid $30 for it but it came with  300 minutes so it didn't cost anything and the minutes are good for two month after which it cost $30 for a new phone card.

I don't mind something like this because it's only costing me $15 a month. That's not bad for having something for an emergency. And I can use up most of the minutes calling my father long distance in Ocala.

But I still hate them. I think they are a health hazard and that will come out some day. They operate on very low microwaves, right? And the human brain operates on very low electrical frequencies? Remember when we first started hearing about people going postal at work? A few years after cell phones became commercial? There is, IMO, something very wrong with these things. I'll use one as long as it's a pretty decent deal. But I'll never like them and I'll never believe anything that the makers say about them. 

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 04, 2008, 01:27:05 AM
I think the religious right needs to get off of their high horse and stop lobbying against the legalisation of drugs like marijuana, alcohols like absinthe, and prostitution.  Whilst none of those vices are particularly appealing to me, I do NOT believe I have the right to legislate that others cannot engage in such activities, particularly whence they can be duly and litigiously taxed.  Regulate, license and tax. 

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 04, 2008, 07:32:21 AM
I do NOT believe I have the right to legislate that others cannot engage in such activities, particularly whence they can be duly and litigiously taxed.  Regulate, license and tax. 
There are those who say this about the hunting of animals, smoke free restaurants, or some events held in a Rodeo. But for some reason there are those who have nothing better to do than belong to such groups as the ACLU, Greenpease (tree huggers international) etc. who feel diferent on the subject.
But then again, who am I to say they shouldn't have a grey wolf running loose in New Yorks cenral park or the upper half of Minnesota with there own grizzleys to keep them company on those long winter nights. Variety is the spice of life, or so they say. ;)

Being that I am an ex-smoker, for something like 16 years now, I am all for smoke free restaurants.  The difference with smoking and all other vices, like prostitution, drinking in private and not driving, smoking dope and killing brain cells etc. is that smoking is an irritant that annoys and affects others.

In my estimation you can do whatever the hell you want to do as long as it doesn't affect me or my safety.

Oh BTW some guy was actually sentenced to five years in jail here recently for performing a sex act on a dead dog.  He would have been better off performing it on a live child, at least he would have gotten about 18 mths in jail and probation.  Human life is less sanctified in some laws than the rights of deceased animals, at least in my stupid state.

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 04, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
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some guy was actually sentenced to five years in jail here recently for...

I think many peoples' priorities are really screwed up.  >:(

On a similar subject--the other day, a scientist's home nearby was firebombed because he conducts medical research on mice. The ALF spokesman, Dr. Jerry Vlasak (a trauma surgeon no less!), said a scientist who "hurts animals" should "expect consequences".
I find it highly ironic that attacking the scientist and his family do not fall under similar ethics (or the Hippocratic oath). I think this ethical ambiguity says something about the hard left "animal rights" groups.

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 04, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
I think that dioxin must be affecting people locally.  Just today there was a story in the news about a director at a local community college that is responsible for sexual harassment training being charged and arrested for... cyber stalking of her ex boyfriend.

 


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Re: The latest dog and pony show
August 04, 2008, 03:06:16 PM

What I'd  to know is when can we start suing the cell phone makers for second hand microwaves?