ebay

[Paint Your Wagon]

There was a small announcement I saw quite by accident at the bottom of my ebay ( my wife's) that ebay belgium no longer offers any buyers protection unless you pay with paypal So they withdrew their lousy 200 euro on which you had to pay 20 euro of file cost

My ebay (germany) did not have that announcement but had an announcement that sellers using an unknown computer from friend or library or whatever ; better have a working telephonenumber cause they will be telephoned to confirm they are the seller of the item
This will work by way of a flashcookie whatever that may be 

So are they going for paypal insurance only and more protection ? Anything like this happening in the US or Australia ?

[TwoShadows]

Actually, over here in the U.S., the PayPal insurance as you called it is FREE. PayPal will automatically give you the protection up to $2,000 (if I remember correctly) for using their service. And, quite honestly I know it works as I have turned to them on 2 different occassions to get my winning auction delivered or money refunded. Seems most sellers find out very quickly PayPal means business and the protection is very valid. Both times the problem was settled in my favor, once with a refund and the other with product being shipped. It would seem to me that Ebay and PayPal are making the move to include other nations under this blanket coverage and I have NO complainst with PayPal or Ebay for doing so as it will protect buyers and sellers world wide from worthless sellers. If they don't pay up they will get the boot from Ebay for good!

[Paint Your Wagon]

yes but there are two things
First in Europe any seller is allowed to ask 5% extra if paypal is used (or outright forbids it ) and everybody is paying interbank at no cost
So the cost goes up a 5% for a possible coverage of 1000 Euro for which you have to read the fine print on ebay and at 5 % extra cost
and god only knows what they deduct in expenses
If you are carefull it is not worth 5% in the EU only outside the EU since they accept paypal without extra especially the pound people and I never seen they ask 5% So it is probably illigal there

[scottishmoney]

Right now as we speak I have a pending paypal complaint with a seller that has been non-responsive etc. after I paid right after winning the auction.  A at least one time reputable Canadian paper money dealer.  I will see what rolls on Monday.  I definitely want my funds back, and really no longer want the item as it has been too much hassle with no response.

[TwoShadows]

Both times I had to file a complaint I won but it took a few days as PayPal takes a few steps to encourage the seller. First they give them the opportunity to respond, once it reaches the official complaint stage, and then they lock up the sellers account for up to 60 days or until things get settled. This can really hurt a seller who does have funds remaining in his/her account at the time. My first dispute took a couple of weeks to settle but the last one only a few days. One thing is for certain Scottishmoney you will get the refund or the product after that complaint is filed! Keep us posted!

[Paint Your Wagon]

I would not be too sure

A few years back I bought sixty silver eagles from an american with like 300 positive feedbacks
He sold like 2000 of them and did not have them and could not buy them when silver shot up and he was broke anyway
I wrote ebay and the governor and the board of fair trade and the subbranch of the FBI and everybody I could think off
A certain disgracefull policeofficer called COCO asked me I got what I want and in passing let it be known this was not
the first time this greek legal alien pulled of this stunt on ebay
After that COCO was no longer responding to emails ; so much for the american police system ; and ebay requested a copy of all correspondance like 1 pound of fotocopies to be sent to an address in Germany . After like 4 months I got 200 minus 20 is 180 euro for what was a 500 euro loss
And about 200 emails and tons of hassle
Never ever again will I buy were I cannot go to the local police and be legal plaintif which is all of the EU now
A guy from Texas who went to small claims court got double awarded and the crooked greek paid him once and  probably dared him to go to court again
One by one the big swindled parties were paid off but me and the single tube buyers were left dangling cause the thief knew well enough we would not or could not go to small claims court .
I gave his name to Belgian airport people so that if he ever goes back to greece by way of Belgium they will know him

I even tried to report him to the IRS but as a non american that was impossible

I better forget about Spiros 

[scottishmoney]

Lately it seems like many of my eBay experiences are swimming with the Tidy Bowl man in Sir Thomas's Crapper.   Non responsive sellers, slow shipments(currently waiting on one from England that has been over a month) etc.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Lately it seems like many of my eBay experiences are swimming with the Tidy Bowl man in Sir Thomas's Crapper.   Non responsive sellers, slow shipments(currently waiting on one from England that has been over a month) etc.

This is the lowest 31 days period I ever had on ebay
Either I see junk, or I see zero feedback sellers, or I see pros with a minimum price too high above melt
So I bought outside ebay from an internet shop a few tubes of Wiener Philharmoniker 1.5 Euro with a 2 weeks delivery delay
I bought in that shop before and price is confirmed
Also I stopped asking anybody saying germany and austria and switzerland only if they would consider belgium
50 or so said yes in the past
One insulted me by asking what part of germany only I did not understand and i could only qualify if I had relatives in germany
It was very hard for me to refrain from answering my last relative left in 1945 after eating grass and worms for 5 years on a workfarm as POW

[Hermit]

...So are they going for paypal insurance only and more protection ? Anything like this happening in the US or Australia ?

Worse. Australia is being forced to use Paypal as the only payment option when using feebay. For some reason Paypal Australia has extra fees for just about everything and is troublesome, glitchy and painfully slow clearing e-checks. The result being many sellers and buyers have quit feebay and use the alternate Australian auction site Oztion.

[scottishmoney]

I collect banknotes also, it seems like lately I have had nothing but marginal to lousy experiences with buying stuff.  Then I bought a 17th century Irish token, back in early March, still do not have it, seller claiming had to wait for an export permit!  What?  I buy an Irish token from a seller in England and they have to get an export permit?  On a £30 item?  In January I bought the Scottish gold coin, from a well known and establish London dealer(no eBay), nothing about an export permit etc. and the item is significantly more consequential to British history.

I buy stuff from rather high priced paper money sellers, and you wonder why you pay the firm price, but then you get friendly communication through the whole process, and request for want lists etc.  I already have tracking numbers for a purchase made on Thursday, and hopefully should have those goods by Wednesday or so.  With regards the Irish token, I am losing hope of ever getting it, and think my second paypoo claim in a week will be in order in a few days.  With the one Canadian dealer I bought much stuff from him in the past, but it appears as though he turned the business over to his daughter and son in law and they are crapping it up for him.  I maybe leaving a negative for them very soon.

If someone made some comment to me about my relatives in Germany, I can honestly say, they were bombed out in 1943 during the raid on Hamburg.  How would that be for a comeback?

[scottishmoney]

...So are they going for paypal insurance only and more protection ? Anything like this happening in the US or Australia ?

Worse. Australia is being forced to use Paypal as the only payment option when using feebay. For some reason Paypal Australia has extra fees for just about everything and is troublesome, glitchy and painfully slow clearing e-checks. The result being many sellers and buyers have quit feebay and use the alternate Australian auction site Oztion.

Hmm, will have to look into that, I troll eBay Oz from time to time looking for booty from downunder.

[Paint Your Wagon]

I am sure the European democracy is fighting back
Ebay had to leave Switzerland as headquarters and choose the next best thing Luxembourg
Now they are vulnarable to legal attack by anybody with enough initiative or money
On the continent their best market is germany and germans don't take it lying down I am sure
So they started with little belgium I guess to see what reactions are on not insuring anything anymore if you do not pay for paypal
It probably is illigal to force paypal since we got a new European law forcing banks to accept international payments
at no extra cost within the union . The banks would ask up to 20 euro for transfor to another euro country before this law
This law and protection of the people saving money is seen as key protection
( The savings law is supposed to protect people from being sold products like the bank that sold liveinsurance to my 91 year old mother for 10 years so that everytime she asked money before the age of 101 she had to pay a big penalty ) She died broke

[Paint Your Wagon]

If someone made some comment to me about my relatives in Germany, I can honestly say, they were bombed out in 1943 during the raid on Hamburg.  How would that be for a comeback?

My mother was bombed out by the UK allies no less
Luckily she was not home
The RAF had this nasty habit of missing the railway repair depot by as much as 10 miles especially on foggy days when they did not want to go back with
full bomb bays I suppose

[scottishmoney]

Given the alleged collaboration of the Belgian King with the fascists, they should have stuck to pummelling royal palaces only, that way collateral damage would be minimized.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Given the alleged collaboration of the Belgian King with the fascists, they should have stuck to pummelling royal palaces only, that way collateral damage would be minimized.

Yeah you got that with foreign imports no quality
If I remember correctly we got independant in 1830 and only found a king in 1831 cause the job was not intresting or maybe not well paid

I forgot under which king this was but i remember from school i think that at one time there was the first flemish activist who had been killed and he got like a decent burial until a marechaussee ( that is police on horse ) shot into his casket to make sure he staid dead

At another time somebody talking to the king made a true observation I think
Sire , les Belges ça n'existe pas ( Belgians do no exist meaning there are walloons and flemish )

[scottishmoney]

Yeah you got that with foreign imports no quality
If I remember correctly we got independant in 1830 and only found a king in 1831 cause the job was not intresting or maybe not well paid

Well actually the monarchy back then was being able to get away with whatever you wanted, wild sex romps etc.  Look at the 19th century male British monarchs before Victoria, they were all involved with many many women, and probably a few other men as well.  Belgium being a small and newly independent country did not offer much in the way of aristocratic sex romp apparently.  In fact the Belgian and Netherlands monarchies by and by are some of the more boring and apparently androgynous in all of Europe.

[Paint Your Wagon]

I read somewhere the Dutch Queen is one of the richest of Europe
Could it be the simple life ? 

[scottishmoney]

Why do you think they call that company with the yellow sea shell logo - "Royal Dutch Shell"?

[Paint Your Wagon]

Why do you think they call that company with the yellow sea shell logo - "Royal Dutch Shell"?

I never thought about that since I think Belgium is Petro-Fina-Elf territory and some BP and Shell
I think Kuwait selling under the name of Q8 left
But at 9.45 dollars a gallon for 98 octane for the car I can understand the distribution is living on the vapours what in
french is called La part des anges 
( It is presumed by taxpeople that a certain promille is lost during all those transfers and if you do better that is pocket money or the part for the angels)

[scottishmoney]

I saw Shell stations all over whilst I was in Europa, we have a lot of them here too, the company has been in America since the 1910's.  Back during WWI not a very popular company here, because the Dutch were trading with the Germans and supplying them with petroleum product.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Not surprisingly it was just announced on the news that bicycle sales are sharply up and repairs are in the stratosphere
One guy said he got out of bed at 5 am and repaired till 8 pm and was not even keeping up with repairs
For a country that is not so fond of bikes this is remarkable .
I just stay in my garden with the laptop
But since yesterday and for the following days it is cold and rain and some more rain 

[Paint Your Wagon]

This notorious Swisse ebaygirl has singlehandedly moved the panama canal into italy 

Normally she calls everything uncirculated and lustrous bankfresh but even she did not dare to do that here

The coin is Maria Luiga di Parma ex wife of Napoleon and looks like somebody used sanding paper on it



http://cgi.ebay.de/Panama-40Lire-1815-Original-Gold_W0QQitemZ140228871069QQcmdZViewItem

[scottishmoney]

Parma, Panama, same thing after a hard night of Schnapple.

[scottishmoney]

Ebay is becoming a sinking ship of fools to me.  Lately I have had one positive experience with an eBay seller, another would be positive if the thing showed up - but I believe seller in Venezuela sent it, it just never came, and another situation that I could defecate on.  I have with only two exceptions had to contact sellers of high priced items and extract information from them on whether item sent, tracking number etc.  I am about ready to KMA eBay as a buying venue.

[Paint Your Wagon]

ebay france probably is 50% goldplated coins old and new coins and golddust or paper in bottlets
ebay germany is into bottlets of goldpaper and little nuggets etc
Also a lot of "new" sellers mygrating to selling a foreign goldcoin with a germany only warning which was allright for selling old jeans and old t-shirts and then committing the ultimate folly of using DHL at double the price of German post

I just succumbed to asking a guy in a wheelchair if I would be allowed to bid .
He was surprisingly nice , probably never even considered a foreigner might want to buy a foreing coin 

I think once gold takes off in september that my buying days are over . I do not want to risk another 1980 . I figure that if I stop buying around
650 euro I will never suffer a loss in this lifetime ( that was the high at 1000 dollars )

[Paint Your Wagon]

And this looks like nickel being sold for silver by a 6000 plusser

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290226336023&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=019

[Paint Your Wagon]

Superb picture by a professional seller 
At more then double gold price after all you cannot want a good picture can you 


http://cgi.ebay.de/FRANKREICH-GOLD-20-EURO-2007-DEGAS-nur-500-Stueck_W0QQitemZ310046722272QQcmdZViewItem

[scottishmoney]

I love sellers that sell stuff with teeny tiny pictures on large priced items. 

But occasionally you come across sellers with good images, that you can also use:

All I had to do with the image was crop the black background.  BTW a very very nice original exceptional paper quality and well centered note at a very low bid.

[Paint Your Wagon]

My nephew of whom I am the godfather did celebrate his 12 years holy communion and confirmation today
I gave him a 500 Euro brandnew note

First thing he did was fold it in four ( ouch )

Since nobody accepts these notes in a shop I wanted to scan it for myself because I probably will never see one like that again .
The bank gives me a stack of 50 Euro used notes

Canon driver said error error you may have wrongly placed the object whatever I tried
Silverfast driver was a lot more explicit , it said I was trying to scan a banknote and would be allowed but that it would attach a refuse to print and gave a website for all of the world with the legislation in vigor for scanning , printing or sharing electronically banknotes .

72 dpi max and specimen printed over 70% of the surface is the Belgian requirement . I was downright amazed cause I thought that that only writing on it or tearing it in two was forbidden . 

[scottishmoney]

Yep.  You might just as well as given him 100 €5 notes in a munched up wad.  I often take my offspring to coin shows with me, where they often rack up the assortment of free and near free goodies.  Cannot tell you how many times I have heard the unfortunate comment that my children were the first that the dealers had seen in all of the day that actually were polite and appreciate in the form of thanking for the goodies.  One time my then 10 year old daughter(has a serious eye for expensive and rare coins) were talking to a Russian dealer, she wanted to look through his $10(junk, okay $10! is junk?) box, and she picked out a Moldavia Wallachia 2 Kopek from 1772 and he sold it to her at that price, even though it is worth far more.  I asked her what she liked about the coin, she said she just wanted it, and couldn't explain why.  Curiously maybe there was some secret connection to the coin, nobody thought of.  She was born right near where it was minted.  She even picked out my Athenian Tetradrachm a few years ago.   

[Paint Your Wagon]

I wanted to give him a goldcoin and my wife asked whether I was mad to give a kid a goldcoin .
I am glad I did not because he probably would have bounced it of the ceiling a few times and then be
mad when the buyer told him it was damaged the day after when my brother went to exchange it for cash .
My brother prefers satelite connections and hothouses and garden ponds etc

[scottishmoney]

You're an awfully nice relative to hand out a €500 note to a kid.  Once I gave my daughter a $100 bill for her birthday, I think it was her 12th.  She didn't believe it was real(she knows I like to play practical jokes), I had to convince her it really was real.

[Paint Your Wagon]

You're an awfully nice relative to hand out a €500 note to a kid.  Once I gave my daughter a $100 bill for her birthday, I think it was her 12th.  She didn't believe it was real(she knows I like to play practical jokes), I had to convince her it really was real.

My family is fairly old which can be deduced from the spelling of my family name
They also seem to produce a lot of girls
There are about 12 people with my name in the 11 million people phone book ; my father assured me that it was all family.

I told my brother and my nephew that allthough I was his godfather the next gift would be at his wedding 

Noblesse oblige
But not too much 

[scottishmoney]

My sister in laws husband is one of five boys, no girls.  Each of those five boys has only had girls so far, my sister in law has three girls.  I think sometimes people keep having children because they want either a boy or a girl finally, but mother nature has last laugh.  I have one boy and two girls.  I am glad I have a son, because if I had only daughters I would be in funny farm on serious meds.

[Paint Your Wagon]

My sister in laws husband is one of five boys, no girls.  Each of those five boys has only had girls so far, my sister in law has three girls.  I think sometimes people keep having children because they want either a boy or a girl finally, but mother nature has last laugh.  I have one boy and two girls.  I am glad I have a son, because if I had only daughters I would be in funny farm on serious meds.

I had an engineer working for me who gave up after four girls
He was surely sorry to be bossed around by five women in the house 

[Sap]

Since nobody accepts these notes in a shop I wanted to scan it for myself because I probably will never see one like that again .
The bank gives me a stack of 50 Euro used notes

Canon driver said error error you may have wrongly placed the object whatever I tried
Silverfast driver was a lot more explicit , it said I was trying to scan a banknote and would be allowed but that it would attach a refuse to print and gave a website for all of the world with the legislation in vigor for scanning , printing or sharing electronically banknotes .

72 dpi max and specimen printed over 70% of the surface is the Belgian requirement . I was downright amazed cause I thought that that only writing on it or tearing it in two was forbidden . 

That would be the EURion detector. Most banknotes designed this millennium contain a distinctive, repeating pattern, dubbed the Eurion constellation. Manufacturers of printers, cameras and scanners and image editing software companies have now written into their software the ability to detect the EURion pattern, and take preventive action. I'd heard about it, but never heard a personal testimony of a note collector actually being blocked by it before.

Definitely a case where "old technology is better". I've got an old scanner with old drivers and use and old graphics program, and don't plan on upgrading any of them anytime soon.

I recall a witty observation about the EURion; I think it was made in NewScientist magazine when the system was first rolled out:

If EURion recognition software becomes entrenched in all digital imaging system software, then all a criminal would have to do to become invisible would be to wear the EURion prominently on a T-shirt; any security camera systems would blank out whenever it spotted them.

[scottishmoney]

Well back in the day, say the 1930's, the Dutch company Joh. Enschede & Co was printing notes with graphical patterns which today even on my older HP scanner cause it to rotate the image:



To finally get this image I had to tweak the settings down on the dpi and contrast, otherwise everytime I scanned it it would automatically rotate the image by about 15 degrees or so.  Practically anytime you have a very dense and fine engraving with alternating patterns like on this note, it will likely wreak havoc with the scanned image.  So see, by example, it doesn't have to be a modern banknote to create such anomalies, just a very technically advanced old design.

[Paint Your Wagon]

My old scanner was win95-98
I used a paralel to usb cable and then I tried two dozen drivers on xp but xp just refused even to see the scanner
I tried experimental software and photoshop told me I had no scanner
So after two months I bought a new scanner and put the win 98 SE computer in the cellar cause the fan was like an airoplane taking of
and I retired the old scanner

I can only say the new scanner will focus perfectly through capsules which the old one could not

[Paint Your Wagon]

This coin is said to be rescued from a housefire
Has anybody ever seen some ligit burned coins ?
Did they look like this ?
To me it looks like soothe and I really  wonder what the coin woul look like after a distilled water bath
allthough at that price I am not tempted 


http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Rare-1885-20-AU-Liberty-gold-authentic-double-eagle_W0QQitemZ260243235856QQihZ016QQcategoryZ39472QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[scottishmoney]

Given the rarity of the 1885 $20, I wouldn't even give that coin a second glance.  Perhaps the fire is a ruse to lead you away from your money?

[Paint Your Wagon]

Given the rarity of the 1885 $20, I wouldn't even give that coin a second glance.  Perhaps the fire is a ruse to lead you away from your money?

I had the exact same feeling
If this coin is really an original why not restore it .I see a fingerpint at 10 o'clock on the obverse
Well I am curious if anyone will make an offer 

[Paint Your Wagon]

How can you ask 2000 euro for a coin and offer two shitty fotos ; one looking like it is silver instead of gold
Any 75 dollar scanner would do better

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/25-BF-in-goud-van-1848-L-Wiener-in-staat-PRACHTIG-FDC_W0QQitemZ250256279391QQihZ015QQcategoryZ45344QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[scottishmoney]

What are you talking about?  I regularly see €20K coins with crappy photos, don't you know, you buy what the seller says, not what the farging coin looks like?   It is amazing these losers sell anything, but then consider the average population, IQ well...

[Paint Your Wagon]

What are you talking about?  I regularly see €20K coins with crappy photos, don't you know, you buy what the seller says, not what the farging coin looks like?   It is amazing these losers sell anything, but then consider the average population, IQ well...

Well I spend three years learning photograding from an American coindealer .
I used to ask for better pics and they would pm me the same crap thinking it would look better then on ebay cause it was a direct pm
I am willing to buy a MDP coin in box with certificate and trust it was an investment by somebody who could not care to open the box 
but not an old Belgian from somebody who would probably describe the coin as nice

I just got a 1982 Monegask essai and the certificate is not even folded . I have never ever seen an unfolded certificate in my life . This investor thinks gold is going to plunge and he is liquidating all his essais he bought . Coin is welded in plastic of course  My luck to catch him liquidating .

[Paint Your Wagon]

I have learned to read the theeleaves
Attached coin eg you cannot see it but the opaque ring on the capsule means this coin is  damaged beyond AU
Monnaie de Paris was stupid enough to put a warped coin in a straight capsule so that it rotated all the way to its destination inside the
capsule creating the opaque ring on the capsule and friction damage on both sides of the coin
This coin was owned in silver by many dudes on the old forum

http://cgi.ebay.de/FRANKREICH-1-Ultimative-Ultime-Franc-Gold-2001_W0QQitemZ150247745869QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150247745869&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[scottishmoney]

Which would explain why the seller is using a stock image lifted probably from some marketers site.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Which would explain why the seller is using a stock image lifted probably from some marketers site.

The right picture is probably from the campaign of Monnaie de Paris
Up till now I have seen nobody who could photograph the warp
I ordered 4 more full spectrum lights and I am going to try and photograph the warp on my coin

The left picture with the damaged capsule is probably his own

[Paint Your Wagon]

A Belarus coin with diamonds at an exhorbitant price


http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__BELARUS-WEIssRUSSLAND-50-R-FUCHS-Gold-mit-Diamanten_W0QQitemZ250257087961QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250257087961&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[Paint Your Wagon]

This is something new a one tenth gold ounce with platinum application 
at about ten times the price

http://cgi.ebay.de/Wall-Street-Collection-Muenze-American-Eagle-GOLD-PLATIN_W0QQitemZ230215809201QQihZ013QQcategoryZ42726QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

[scottishmoney]

While we're barshing eBay, I wonder why when I go onto the Belgian eBay site, looking for a specific item, it would not let me bid at all?  I had to pull up the item number on the USA site to be able to bid on it.  The seller had no problem selling to a 'Merican, but the dumb site hated my bid until I went in through the back door via the USA site, where the item was not even in the index pages.

[Paint Your Wagon]

While we're barshing eBay, I wonder why when I go onto the Belgian eBay site, looking for a specific item, it would not let me bid at all?  I had to pull up the item number on the USA site to be able to bid on it.  The seller had no problem selling to a 'Merican, but the dumb site hated my bid until I went in through the back door via the USA site, where the item was not even in the index pages.

I have a log on id I use on Germany and Austria and Italy and Spain and the UK the Netherlands and France etc
My wife uses a differend logon id for Belgium
We are both registered on ebay Belgium

I do not know why but if I want to buy something she saw with her log in id I have to put the item number in search and half the time it does not find the item
So I have to try and log on into ebay Belgium confusing the hell out of my computer who only recognizes her logon into ebay Belgium and once I have logged in
she cannot login anymore cause now the computer only recognizes my id in Belgium

So yes ; my american coindealing friend told me the only way to buy is to put the item number in the American ebay
Another pain is that if I am logged into my ebay germany which I always do that if I want to add an item to my ebay from France or Belgium i have to open again my ebay for that country . So on a busy day I could be logged into 5 different My ebays to add items

On ebay bashing . An ebay manager in Germany was reported not to trust Paypal and refuse its use unless identity was proven . What a joke. This was allover the German net 

[Paint Your Wagon]

And another square coin at double price from Monnaie de Paris

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__Frankreich-20-Euro-Manet-2008-GOLD-PP-ab-Lager_W0QQitemZ110261149902QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110261149902&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[scottishmoney]

You would think they could at least package that coin better.

[Paint Your Wagon]

You would think they could at least package that coin better.

I was thinking the same
If they want to go to square coins of the same weight buying an injection mould for square capsules would cost like 5000 Euro which would add less then a euro per coin over the production life.
Now you got a square peg in a round hole 

[scottishmoney]

Well, they are French after all, and they do the first part of it nice(the coin) then f*** up the packaging.   Just like a lot of things.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Well, they are French after all, and they do the first part of it nice(the coin) then f*** up the packaging.   Just like a lot of things.

Yes and they will never learn
After their painfull slip up with the last goldfranc by Starck which got delivered damaged they should know better about capsules
At least they put a stop in this capsule so the coin cannot rotate and only bang up and down
I should call it a goldbar with denomination though since a coin is made to roll (spend) we say in Flemish

[Paint Your Wagon]

Did the US mint really issue this ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__PRINCESS-DIANA-24KT-GOLD-HALB-DOLLAR-MUENZE-WUNDERBAR_W0QQitemZ330243644122QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330243644122&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[scottishmoney]

They issued the coin, not the paint crap on it.

While we're discussing stupid numismatic fecal matter:

Wowza - Sapphires In A Coin!!!

[Paint Your Wagon]

They issued the coin, not the paint crap on it.

While we're discussing stupid numismatic fecal matter:

Wowza - Sapphires In A Coin!!!

1 carat is big but they used to make cheap 33rpm recordplayer points out of saphire
Now one carat blue diamond VVS1 that is something else

[scottishmoney]

I don't really care for diamonds.  I do like emeralds though, so my wife will get a new one soon.  I owe her, for letting me purchase all the effluent I have bought.

[Paint Your Wagon]

I don't really care for diamonds.  I do like emeralds though, so my wife will get a new one soon.  I owe her, for letting me purchase all the effluent I have bought.

Likewise
There is three diamond bourses in Antwerp and I got access to the floor of one of them
So my wife finally got her long dream of a 1.02 carat blue diamond ring
And I get all the coins I want lol

[scottishmoney]

We have the equivalent agreement.  Which is starting to cost me.

[Paint Your Wagon]

on offer as a diana coin but no face value indicated
also no weight indicated
these vendors really hope an  idiit will buy their junk

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__Diana-Gold-Gedenkmuentze-Queen-Of-Hearts_W0QQitemZ260250818639QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260250818639&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[scottishmoney]

Tacky buys for the tacky buyers.

[Paint Your Wagon]

I saw two real ones in four years and got one of them

[Paint Your Wagon]

Issued by the real knights of course
the rosecruceans

[scottishmoney]

That one is from the Knights Wannabees, the real order is the Ordine Sovrano di Malta or something similar.  There is another Knights Wannabee called the Order of Jerusalem or something that stamps out coins too.

[Paint Your Wagon]

That one is from the Knights Wannabees, the real order is the Ordine Sovrano di Malta or something similar.  There is another Knights Wannabee called the Order of Jerusalem or something that stamps out coins too.

Are it not these guys ? Sito ufficiale del Sovrano Militare Ordine Ospedaliero di San Giovanni di Gerusalemme di Rodi di Malta in Italia
Because somebody gave them the right to put 5000 Liras on the coin and as far as I can see only the Vatican and the state of Italy can give that authority
And both gave the authority to the Hospital Knights
The text in Krause feels quite insulting ; just my interpretation I am sure

http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/clickit/search?r_aid=F04DE5A605114306A090CD4586C7D5E0&r_eop=6&r_sacop=3&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=3&r_spp=0&qqn=rU%40fx%2BZQ&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://www.ordinedimaltaitalia.org/

[Paint Your Wagon]

And allready some people are making coin out of the earthquake in China


http://cgi.ebay.de/2008-China-Sichuan-Erdbeben-Limited-Edition_W0QQitemZ260251529676QQihZ016QQcategoryZ34941QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Paint Your Wagon]

And look what they did to Marianne in a bazel and colored

The rooster is going to hang upside down as a chicken ready to be processed for the supermarket

http://cgi.ebay.fr/20-FRANCS-OR-CHAPLAIN-1909-EMAILLE-MAGNIFIQUE-TRAVAIL_W0QQitemZ320263515328QQihZ011QQcategoryZ539QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[ElleKitty]

That actually looks rather nice. most coloured coins that I've seen look extremely tacky...  Maybe it's the rich colours that do it.

[TwoShadows]

One does not know just how beautiful these painted items are until they go to sell them! The tears are not for joy!

Hey, maybe I could do a FLOOD of 08 Coin with an outstanding colored photo of a knight in armor and rubber boots?

[Paint Your Wagon]

That actually looks rather nice. most coloured coins that I've seen look extremely tacky...  Maybe it's the rich colours that do it.

I did not dare to show this one to my wife
She might have liked it too much

[Paint Your Wagon]

One does not know just how beautiful these painted items are until they go to sell them! The tears are not for joy!

Hey, maybe I could do a FLOOD of 08 Coin with an outstanding colored photo of a knight in armor and rubber boots?

Hey you got an idea there
a colored amazone cause you promissed a knightess this year 

[Paint Your Wagon]

And the Bufalo 

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__2006-50-AMERICAN-BUFFALO-BEIDSEITIG-IN-FARBE_W0QQitemZ310059388623QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310059388623&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[TwoShadows]

Now I am crushed!!! Taking a thing of beauty and painting it? NO gold deserves to be shown such disrespect with paint, stickers or decals. And to add insult to injury it is a BUFFALO!!! 

[Paint Your Wagon]

Now this is a nice fake made out of hardboard and copper




http://cgi.ebay.fr/Fausse-20-Fr-OR-1894-en-laiton-fourre-carton_W0QQitemZ140241689079QQihZ004QQcategoryZ17382QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Paint Your Wagon]

And another goldplate
I think about 20% of the coins on offer are goldplated now and they show up in the gold category in france

http://cgi.ebay.fr/2-FRANCS-GEORGES-GUYNEMER-1997-DOREE-OR-FIN-24-CARATS_W0QQitemZ370061518888QQihZ024QQcategoryZ17381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Paint Your Wagon]

This guy has been smoking pot if he thinks I ever in my life am going to use a money order again
Lucky for me it is a damaged proof otherwise I would be in a quandry since I have been looking for this coin
for four years now

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1993-Egypt-50-Pounds-GOLD-Cleopatra-Coin-Proof_W0QQitemZ350070094976QQihZ022QQcategoryZ48024QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122

[Paint Your Wagon]

An MS66 with slide
It is a bad pic but i can see the slide

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220249206393&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

[Humpybong]

.....laugh of the day.....have a look at this listing on eBay....look very closely at the coin.....200234842971



                

[Nevol]

What a HUNK!!!

[Humpybong]

Ow c'mon Nancy......eyes right.......to me the obverse and reverse are from 2 different coins??

Not what you are looking at!

[Nevol]

Aw shucks, you mean I gotta get my mind outta the gutter?       

I can see what you mean, but I was more interested in the Hunka Burnin Love.   

[Paint Your Wagon]

The coins are even from two different countries So Curlyknot is knotted over the cook Islands 

[Paint Your Wagon]

PS
He seems to be standing on his right leg only and what you see should be his left foot
So to me it looks like a clever illusion 

[Paint Your Wagon]

He got a lot of quaint items 

[TwoShadows]

Hey Paint Your Wagon, thats NOT his left foot! I have, or did have,  Cook Island full frontal view of their fertility God and he does have two legs and is quite well blessed for such a little guy!

[Paint Your Wagon]

Hey Paint Your Wagon, thats NOT his left foot! I have, or did have,  Cook Island full frontal view of their fertility God and he does have two legs and is quite well blessed for such a little guy!

Common my friend
Are you telling me they are circumscribed or technically without foreskin
I think the designer is showing a left foot and a big toe and laughing to hell

[TwoShadows]

Well I am not sure who designed the fertility God but do remember the English liked to have a cow when the Queen showed up on the obverse of a full frontal design on the reverse. Don't remember, off the top of my empty head, just what year it was minted but it did cause a stir! You should see some of their currency. Beautiful native woman with bare breast riding a dolphin! Very pleasing design and much more attractive than the coin in question!

[Paint Your Wagon]

Well I also like them combative covered in scars like Marie Jeanne
who is one of my favourites

[scottishmoney]

She took a blow to the right mammary(ok Howard Hughes), needs a bandage I am afraid.

BTW, the item from my worst ever, in over 11 years of being on eBay experience has finally arrived, and the items are nice.  But the seller, an auction house, are bungheads.  The auction was over a month ago, and the items only arrived today, after a protracted 16+ emails, 5+ calls exchange, whilst they misplaced my charge card, misplaced the items etc.  That coupled with an arrogant, "we are trying to please 500+ customers right now, can't you just be patient?" attitude earned them the marked distinction of my onliest ever negative feedback left for a seller on eBay.

eBay is biting the farm in my opin.  I have tired of selling on there for all the regs, paypoo etc. nonsense.  This otherwise "reputable" live auction house has gotten two negs in the past three days, one does wonders how many more shall be arriving to them thus?

[Paint Your Wagon]

Since a few weeks allover europe you can give a neutral and a negative and the vendor is blocked automatically from giving a retaliatory feedback
And a neutral is counted the same as a negative in the feedback score .
I had several emails from a very angry german I paid 22 Euro 
He sold a silver coin and in a seperate auction the box and the certificate with worldwide delivery and a very complicated text only in german were he said that the pic was uncleaned ( meaning the coin ) So I did not take the rest of his convoluted text literally and got only a naked coin and gave his first in life neutral .
He squeeled like a stuck pig that he got a 1000 sales and this stupid effing belgian who does not understand german effed him and lost him his 100% score ( and he could not even retaliate )
I unloaded enough frustration to be satisfied for a while and gave a nice positive to the bank selling the Infante Marie Marguerite at melt covered in fingerprints 

[scottishmoney]

The vendor is blocked from leaving a negative, but they can leave a positive/negative, and seller "aboncon" has left lots and lots of them.  He gets away with it, because he is a "power pooper seller".  To do this you leave a positive, but the comments, like his, are "Girl bid and refused to pay etc."  He calls everybody "girl" he must be one of those repressed types that has problems with females.

[Paint Your Wagon]

Title says one gold dollar

In the very last line only is it mentioned it is goldplated junk

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Piece-1-Dollar-piece-one-dollar-or_W0QQitemZ160258049395QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3440QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Paint Your Wagon]

I have just been informed by an Austrian ebayer that ebay has a new TRICK
If you choose Europe that includes England and England has to include PAYPALL
So she put only Austria and Switzerland and Germany
I asked I could bid and she said no problem but since she did not want paypal she no longer could put Europe 

[Paint Your Wagon]

Some Germans will never learn
Selling foreign coins in this case Spanish coin to germans only brings less money

http://cgi.ebay.de/Spanien-Unabhaengigkeitskrieg-400-Euro-Gold-2008-PP_W0QQitemZ250298078235QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250298078235&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[scottishmoney]

I will offer that given that I venture into eBay Netherlands and eBay Germany, I don't know that all sellers deliberately exclude foreign buyers - since I ask about shipping to the USA, and they will   but I do not mind that they deliberately or accidentally exclude much of my competition for bids.  The worst country I find for excluding foreign bidders is England.  Sometimes when I am on eBay.uk I notice something like 40-50% of auctions have only the UK checked as a ship location.  Lately I have had to buy several banknotes from sellers in Germany and Netherlands because they have stuff I cannot seem to find anywhere else.  I have just purchased a couple of rare Danish banknotes this way. 

[Paint Your Wagon]

Normally when I ask them in german and they know I write german they say of course I can bid.
But once I got a snide answer like what part of germany only I did not understand or if I had relatives in germany
I was much newer to ebay then . Now I would answer I had family in Nazi germany but that family was liberated by the americans so
I no longer qualify.

[KurtS]

eBay is biting the farm in my opin.  I have tired of selling on there for all the regs, paypoo etc. nonsense.

I've basically given up buying a coin there unless I personally know the seller or it's an unattributed rarity: misrepresentation is rife otherwise.
Ebay could improve things, but it seems their business model focuses on volume vs. transaction quality.

Gotta love all the epithets coined for paypal and ebay: feeBay, payfiend, preypal, etc. I just call eBay "coin toilet". 

That's some gold Haiti coin!