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Title: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 11, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
My daughter and a friend both received a letter in the mail last Saturday regarding the $600 each "qualified" U.S. Citizen is supposed to receive.  Both letters, presumably not fake, stated that they would receive considerably less than $600.

Has any member received such a letter.  Or, the $600 check?

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on May 11, 2008, 06:00:39 PM


Isn't that typical of any government....promises something but forgets to mention that it is subject to certain conditions.

   :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 11, 2008, 11:06:18 PM
Sounds bogus to me unless they owe back taxes or something? I have heard of NO one else getting such a letter! You will have to keep us posted on what they do end up with?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: ElleKitty on May 12, 2008, 02:36:31 AM
Gary, I would be highly suspicious of any letters sent. There are -many- phishing scams related to this economic stimulus package.  The only notification you should recieve will be the check itself, and if your daughter didn't file an income tax for 2007 at all, I'd be doubly suspicious.  The only way she would qualify for less than 600 dollars is if she made personally above 75,000 dollars income.  Or, if she is a minor she should be receiving 300 dollars through your payment.

You may wish to contact the IRS about the letters directly at the website that OldDan listed above.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 12, 2008, 03:25:22 AM
These "stimulus" cheques are a joke.  We are going to pay for it later.  As usual. :'(
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: NoHope587 on May 12, 2008, 04:54:01 AM
Got my checks on Friday one for me and one for my wife. They are supposed to be spent to help boost the economy but mine went to wards an IRA. Does anyone know if they need to be declared on next years tax return? Or are they tax free?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 12, 2008, 05:33:57 AM
Well if it is like my states income tax refund, it will need to be declared as income on the next tax return.  Nothing like double taxation, WITHOUT representation.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 12, 2008, 07:00:43 AM
Thanks for all the great comments.

I doubt that the letters were fake in that the "postage" part of the envelope had the IRS stamp.  I doubt that anyone would chance that many years in a Federal slammer.  Our daughter (Medicmichelle89) is a single Mom, but works at two hospitals plus the VA, so she may have made too much money to have gotten the full amount.

Oh well, just a political stunt which we end up paying for.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: AdamL on May 12, 2008, 07:15:34 AM
I didn't qualify either. And I really could use the extra money too. What a bunch of BS. Oh well.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: mila on May 12, 2008, 09:41:54 AM
I received it as well. I didn't bother apply for it.
I wouldn't have gotten anything out of it anyway.  :'(

mila
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 12, 2008, 10:14:20 AM
Was it signed by  Charlie  ("pick a shell, any shell" )  Crist?  ::)

The feds ought to send out letters--to every 10 year old "thanking them in advance" for picking up the 8 trillion dollar tab for  America's 30 year drunken stupor.  :'(

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 12, 2008, 10:27:05 AM
I want to know how a government that is in the throws of an enormous and unrecoverable budget deficit can send out money to all taxpayers?  Frankly what most people are going to do is pay on their credit cards, so the only entities that truly benefit are Citibank, and Amex.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 13, 2008, 12:44:02 AM
If $600 is suppose to "help stimulate the economy" then why doesn't bush give us $60,000? We can really kick some butt with that?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 13, 2008, 01:11:56 AM
Stimulus Cheque Scams on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/12/arena.rebate.check.scam.cnn)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 13, 2008, 09:52:01 AM
Hey guys/gals my grandfather would be saying, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" right about now. Another favorite saying on his was, "If someone offers you something for free, TAKE IT, one way or another you have probably already paid for it." Both quotes would apply here! Take it and run as you have ALREADY paid for this free gift. It is nothing more than some of your tax money that you have paid in all your life and, quite honestly, you/we are probably going to pay for this one as well but, if nothing else, you get to spend it instead of our money grubbing politicians.
To me the bottom line is really what can we do with $600 to $1,000 bucks that would help anybody? I am with longnine on this one. $60,000 would have stimulated the economy.
I would have much rather seen the money go into one way tickets for all the illegals (criminals) back to their home country. They are bankrupting the system in many states while the filthy rich make tons of money off of their cheap labor. They don't want to be U.S. citizens, nor do they wish to remain here, they just want the money to send back to Mexico and their families. It is no wonder the Mexican politicians DON'T want us to act on this problem. We are virtually saving their economy at the expense of ours. I have been furious ever since the demonstrations last year when the Mexican flag waving criminals in this country DEMANDED their rights? We can spend billions fighting a foreign war but can't spend the money to halt the foreign army flowing in from the south? All you have to do is read the paper and the police action blotter to see my point.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 13, 2008, 03:22:22 PM
Terry,

That might well have been written by me.

I totally agree.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for my $600.

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Triggersmob on May 13, 2008, 10:27:07 PM
From an outsiders point of view. Would the problem be solved if Mexico became a U.S. state?

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 13, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
We could send all the Mexican labourers back in a second, if we could just make all the people on the dole get off of their voluminous posteriors and work for a change instead of sitting home, choffing on Pork Rinds, watching Jerry Springer, and procreating like rabbits.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 13, 2008, 11:15:28 PM
Perhaps we can work on the freeloader side of things right after we take care of the first problem? ;D  The thing that amazes me about the welfare system, which was set up to help those out of work during the depression (correct me if I am wrong as that is where it originally got its start) is the mere fact a working man who hits hard times now CAN NOT get help let alone into the system. The system, in my lifetime has been ONLY for those who refuses to work! I knew a man who raised 13 kinds on welfare (more kids bigger the check) and most of those children went right into the welfare system as soon as they reached adulthood. Why work when you can milk the taxpayer cow for free?
There are a great number of things that need to be changed but it would take a revolution to get it done. The monster has grown to big and those with the biggest wallet and loudest mouth get all the goodies. (Squeaky wheel gets the grease).
I have watched demonstrations throughout the years, which the media glorifies for whatever the cause may be, and at NO TIME did they ever mention the demonstrators were being PAID to demostrate! The working man is to darn busy trying to feed his family and pay the bills to spend a Wednesday afternoon picketing and protesting stupid crap in front of the state office buildings. If only the hippies had known about this gold mine!!! They could have made a fortune!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 13, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
The crappy thing about welfare is that it is not a helping hand, rather it is a enabler for those that refuse to work.  Welfare should only exist for emergency situations.  But in reality it is much more difficult for someone working, but still not making ends meet, to get on welfare than someone that is not working at all. 

My mother lost her job when I was about 5-6 years old and she quickly got another job, but making much less money.  She applied for welfare, but was basically told that she earned "too much" to be able to get assistance, and that she would be better off leaving her job and staying home full time.  Instead she stormed out, and got yet another job, working two jobs instead of one, for several months there my brother and I barely saw her, we were in my 90+ year old Grandmothers care.

So my point there is this, welfare doesn't really help people that need a hand, but rather those that want the whole handout.  And that my friends is the real problem here.  Not some poor Mexican labourers coming up and working 18 hour days to send their money back to Mexico to support their families, but the lazy posteriors here not working, and procreating like rabbits, because the Government dole lets them, and encourages them.

I do not care for anyone coming here, and expecting me to speak their language(even though I have spoken Spanish since I was very young) and waving their flag around.  But I believe they are not the real issue here, it is lazy American society that is.  And frankly, in these days of terrorism, and Iranian type guys, how the hell is it possible that they can get across the Rio Grande anyway, for Crikes sake, most likely they are here to work for 18 hour days, but who knows whether they are doing that or are here to fly airliners into Sears Tower this time?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Triggersmob on May 14, 2008, 12:54:54 AM
That's one thing I like about our government. They have a "work for the dole" scheme. 
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Topher on May 14, 2008, 01:13:44 AM
That's one thing I like about our government. They have a "work for the dole" scheme. 
I ran into a lot of people down under, who didn't work for their dole.  They came in to the Telstra shop all the time complaining about their phone bill, and always made loud noises about being on the dole.  One lady told me she was on the dole for 40 years!  I'd be ashamed to say that out loud!

I'm with the rest of you on this issue, though.  If you choose not to work, then you are not unemployed, and therefore don't require government assistance.  End of story.  Want government money?  Give us 40 hours a week, picking up trash downtown, feeding the homeless, sorting recyclables, something, ANYTHING.  If you take from society, but don't give back.  YOU are the loser.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 14, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
I think most of us are on the same page. While are priorities may be a tad bit different we do see the problems which GOVERNMENTS and political correctness have created. I will say if any other company was doing what the gas and oil companies are doing right now they would be in shackles before Congress. But, seeing how all our elected officials probably own oil and gas stock and oil and gas futures they are making a killing as well. If you are making record billion dollar profits don't tell me about the cost of exploration, which they aren't doing, and don't tell me about supply and demand. Just tell me about profiteering, monopolies, greed and the ability to own government officials like pets in the back yard.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 14, 2008, 09:44:30 AM
Triggersmob asks, "From an outsiders point of view. Would the problem be solved if Mexico became a U.S. state?"


Triggersmob,

That would be adding many more problems than we could deal with.

Even though Mexico is the "richest" of Latin Amerian countries, it is far and away the leading exporter of drugs to this country.  In addition the governments have been corrupt since that country began.  The low level of education.  The hurting infrastructure.  On and on.

Just the hoards of illegals swarming here will eventually ruin our economy.  Taking Mexico on as a state is something even this great nation couldn't successfully deal with.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Triggersmob on May 14, 2008, 10:47:03 AM
Thanks for the reply, Gary.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 14, 2008, 10:55:14 AM

Even though Mexico is the "richest" of Latin Amerian countries, it is far and away the leading exporter of drugs to this country.  In addition the governments have been corrupt since that country began.  The low level of education.  The hurting infrastructure.  On and on.

Just the hoards of ullegals swarming here will eventually ruin our economy.  Taking Mexico on as a state is something even this great nation couldn't successfully deal with.

 :) :) :) :)

For a bit there, until I read "Mexico", I swore you were referring to Louisiana.  When I worked for the Petroleum refiner in Houston, we had surveys every year on where we would transfer etc.  Hands down Louisiana was always voted as least desirable foreign assignment to be posted to.  Of course we should have chosen Angola, or Nigeria, but just about everybody wrote in Louisiana.  A state of graft, corruption etc. that all came to the forefront of the media in 2005 with Hurricane Katrina.  Some in Mexico agitate from time to time for reparations for the American Southwest being stolen from them in the 1847 war, I would offer them Louisiana in compensation.  It even smells like Mexico.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 14, 2008, 11:26:40 AM
Lay a minefield across the border and they'll stop sneaking in.  Not only that but  the  Department of Home Boys' Job Security will be able keep a straight face when they say "Homeland Security."

We're not really a "capitalist" country anymore anyway so why not try Joe Stalins approach to solving the gas problem. Take two dozen  roaches out the board rooms  and shoot them. Then tell their replacements to tighten up.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 14, 2008, 03:26:00 PM
The problem could be solved in months.

1.  Build the fence.

2.  Fine the employers.

Not too difficult.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Yass on May 14, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
That's one thing I like about our government. They have a "work for the dole" scheme. 
Get with it Triggersmob....it's been canned  :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 14, 2008, 10:26:11 PM
The problem could be solved in months.

1.  Build the fence.

2.  Fine the employers.

Not too difficult.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Problem could be solved in days...

1.  Make the welfare dole people work in the jobs the Mexicans used to work in.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 14, 2008, 11:45:34 PM
I had a discussion with univ trained people the other day
Belgium still has coalmines which were closed in the seventies I think because only Italians or so were willing to work in them and the cost got heigher then the benefit and we ran out of willing bodies.
We have roughly half a million "jobseekers"
We agree that no nation be it european or north african would be willing to work in the coalmines because they probably can earn an equivalent amount of money reporting as jobless and seeking a job .
The only way to reduce the dole is for the working population to go broke and pay no taxes anymore . I think for the moment we have one fully salaried person for 4 non productive people ( non working woman and children and out of job etc considered as non productive )

Oh i forgot the fully retired  8) ;D :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 12:08:14 AM
When I was staying in Luxembourg a few years ago I couldn't then figure out why there were so many Italians living there, I guess that explains it.  It was kind of interesting in restaurants etc. you could always tell who the Italians were, they were the most lively of the whole bunch :D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 12:15:20 AM
When I was staying in Luxembourg a few years ago I couldn't then figure out why there were so many Italians living there, I guess that explains it.  It was kind of interesting in restaurants etc. you could always tell who the Italians were, they were the most lively of the whole bunch :D

Yes the Italians were the most friendly and willing imported workers we ever got . And a few spanish
It is our own fault we did not recognize and pay those willing to work but rather pay for not working anymore .
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 12:18:57 AM
I would like to import 20 something year old Italian maid, but wife objects ???
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 15, 2008, 12:27:33 AM
Well you fellows have finally explained my problems to me! I have literally done everything backwards so it is apparent I have done it all wrong all my life! Working to get ahead and I find out I would have been ahead to not work! Damn my luck!!! ;D

Scottishmoney Indiana is just now passing legislation to fine employers for hiring illegals and after the third strike they lose their business licenses here in the state. Wonder how many times that will actually happen? :'(  Must say I do like your thought process but it would be WAY TO SIMPLE for government to figure out. They will have to hire a firm to do the study and make recommendations, which should cost millions and take years.  By the time it is all figured out we will all be dead and gone so it will be our childrens problem!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 15, 2008, 12:30:15 AM
My wife doesn't have a sense of humor either. Don't these women understand we could HELP these young ladies thorugh their hardships and provide them with a stable home, a meaningful place of employment in a loving environment? ::)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 12:37:49 AM
My wife doesn't have a sense of humor either. Don't these women understand we could HELP these young ladies thorugh their hardships and provide them with a stable home, a meaningful place of employment in a loving environment? ::)

My wife has a woman hairdresser coming home to color and curl her (hair)
This lovely lady just lost her husband to another man ( doh)
She has been coming on to me to get some warmth and sympaty
My wife resolved the situation by locking me in the living room whilst she goes to the bedroom and bathroom with that lady
I hope my wife does not leave me for that lady ( it is so much paperwork over here )
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 12:40:10 AM
Guess she cannot share her? ;)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 12:42:02 AM
Well you fellows have finally explained my problems to me! I have literally done everything backwards so it is apparent I have done it all wrong all my life! Working to get ahead and I find out I would have been ahead to not work! Damn my luck!!! ;D

In a welfare state you can only get ahead if you are impaired or jobless and/or have 6 to 12 children
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 12:44:32 AM
Guess she cannot share her? ;)

Le ménage à trois ( three people living together) is very rare  ???
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 01:50:31 AM

I hope my wife does not leave me for that lady ( it is so much paperwork over here )

If the other lady is young and good looking, tell her not to leave, but to invite her into your family, God told you it is time for another family member, ala that Polygamous church in TX and Utah. :D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 03:59:47 AM

I hope my wife does not leave me for that lady ( it is so much paperwork over here )

If the other lady is young and good looking, tell her not to leave, but to invite her into your family, God told you it is time for another family member, ala that Polygamous church in TX and Utah. :D

Bad idea
I would have to support house redecoration of two ladies . Having one redoing the house is allready more then I fancy .
She is young and goodlooking but not a 10 like Bo Derek in that film with the classic music ( Bolero by Aranguez)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 05:37:56 AM
So far, in now 15 years of bliss, I have not yet convinced my wife which we need "Gina" to join us, I have this ideal fair maiden in mind:

(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/coinpeople/italiya.jpg)

The one on the right, her aerodynamic presence.  But at least she permits  me to have affairs with feminine wonders on numismatic treasures.  Like Catherine:

(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/usa/1794.jpg)

And Anne:

(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/usa/1799dollar.jpg)

And Audra:

(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/portugal/port4centavos.jpg)

Et la Marianne:
(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/avatars/fravatar.jpg)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Beautifull
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 11:27:56 AM
We just found out that we are getting a lot less than originally thought. Stupid farking lying Government barstards anyway.   >:(   I feel like that bunghole in the whitehouse should get up and apologize for lying to us again.  Crikes, we have nothing but lying jerkholes for presidents these last few years.  I guess I can excuse Billary for lying about boinking Monica, but lying about a rebate and Iraq?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 15, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
Scottishmoney,

Why don't you just come out and tell us how you really feel!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on May 15, 2008, 04:02:24 PM

Me thinks ...... SM sounds pissed off!

     ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 15, 2008, 09:42:10 PM
You have to catch the feeling of that flying woman and hold the feeling  ;D

After all why should you believe anything the government or your boss or your bank says to you ( add bloodsuckers at will here )
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 15, 2008, 10:37:36 PM
(http://www.geocities.com/scottishmoney/coinpeople/italiya.jpg)

Surely Auguste you refer to Gina?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 15, 2008, 11:55:46 PM
You can send those flying boobs to me as it seems to be pretty competitive when it comes to landing a nice coin like you have pictured! ;D My wife and I have NOT received our stimulas check, as of this date, so I am NOT mad yet. Guess I need to thank you all for the advanced notice!!! :'(
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 16, 2008, 12:14:40 AM
At least Gina doesn't tell lies like the farking government. :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 16, 2008, 12:54:13 AM
At least Gina doesn't tell lies like the farking government. :o

The only Italian Gina I know is Gina Lollobrigida
We used to say at school if you had a pic of her in a book it would be impossible to close the book because of
the female protuberancies  ;D
Sofia Loren was a favourit too ( shows my age )
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 17, 2008, 12:32:31 AM
At least Gina doesn't tell lies like the farking government. :o



I had a brilliant  suggestion for a better Executive Branch several years ago but they won't listen. Just put a computer in the white house.

1) "Scan my port, know new taxes."
2) "I did not have binary interactions with that computer---Ms. Laptop."
3) "It's Laura's fault. I meant Iran but she didn't check my spelling on the op-order."
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 17, 2008, 07:52:55 AM
I saw on the news last night that at least 350,000 American taxpayers have accidently received the wrong amount on their stimulas checks. Of course its in the governments favor. They are blaming it on a computer glitch (imagine that) and they are not sure how they (IRS) can make it right? And to think these folks are in charge of all incoming funds by way of taxation? :'(  I can remember a few years back when one of the major news stations went into the Boston IRS office to watch an audit take place. In a matter of one week, that office, had misplaced or lost over 2 million dollars. They didn't have a clue where the money went nor how they might go about recovering it. Seems to have disappeared over night! What's a measly $2 million anyway? ::)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 17, 2008, 08:39:56 AM
I can remember a few years back when one of the major news stations went into the Boston IRS office to watch an audit take place. In a matter of one week, that office, had misplaced or lost over 2 million dollars. They didn't have a clue where the money went nor how they might go about recovering it. Seems to have disappeared over night! What's a measly $2 million anyway? ::)

And nobody minds the IRS, they are an entity unto themselves, and operate outside the reign of the US constitution. 
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 17, 2008, 09:48:16 AM
Let's see what the Executive Branch computer has to say:

"Baboon manager has detected another trillion dollar blunder.  Would you like baboon manager to search the Internet for a scapegoat?"
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 18, 2008, 12:06:36 AM
Ah yes but relief is on its way
Even cheaper non taxed chinese goodies

http://www.gregpalast.com/jose-can-you-see-bush%e2%80%99s-trojan-taco/#more-1999
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 18, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
We got our measly monies from the federales on Friday.  Stupid scumbag government anyway.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 18, 2008, 12:59:06 PM
Got my $6oo.
More Precious metal coins ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 18, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
Got my $6oo.
More Precious metal coins ;D

Hurry whilst the price is low
I think we are day 64 of the 107 days cycle and in the first monthly period of a new 12 months period
So roughly speaking the next 100 days may give good buying opps
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on May 19, 2008, 09:15:21 AM
Hey now, this is different. A politician who calls a pig a  pig. 

http://housingpanic.blogspot.com/2008/05/latest-hp-hero-senator-jim-bunning-who.html

Another of Sen. Bunning’s amendments would change the name of the bill from “The Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008” to the “Bailout of Irresponsible Lenders and Borrowers Act of 2008."
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 19, 2008, 11:32:04 AM
Hey now, this is different. A politician who calls a pig a  pig. 

http://housingpanic.blogspot.com/2008/05/latest-hp-hero-senator-jim-bunning-who.html

Another of Sen. Bunning’s amendments would change the name of the bill from “The Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008” to the “Bailout of Irresponsible Lenders and Borrowers Act of 2008."

That guy should be shot for divulging state secrets.  Damnable commie whacko. :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 21, 2008, 11:25:42 AM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 23, 2008, 03:59:58 PM
Got my $6oo.
More Precious metal coins ;D

Hurry whilst the price is low
I think we are day 64 of the 107 days cycle and in the first monthly period of a new 12 months period
So roughly speaking the next 100 days may give good buying opps

Bought a 1967 Canadian $20 gold coin.         .5288 oz gold

(http://)                                                  (http://)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 23, 2008, 04:00:51 PM
Part 2
(http://)                                 Should receive it shortly





Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 23, 2008, 04:09:20 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 23, 2008, 10:33:39 PM
We got ours, and socked into savings.  What with the economy going to hell in a handbasket, we are going to need it in the future.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 23, 2008, 11:47:40 PM
Part 2
(http://)                                 Should receive it shortly


Looks like a wise decision
Coin known to mericans and canadians and in good condition
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 24, 2008, 07:48:27 AM
We got ours, and socked into savings.  What with the economy going to hell in a handbasket, we are going to need it in the future.

Noticed your Ukrainian quote at bottom - what does it say? I'm originally from Alberta, Canada which has a large Ukrainian population - the premier of AB has Ukrainian born parents.
Savings are good but suggest you hedge with precious metal coins  ;)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 24, 2008, 08:10:57 AM
The phrase at the bottom translates to "Ukraine is part of Europe, Not Russia!"  My family has some UA heritage, and we have been there before.  You kind of get tired of being called Russian after awhile.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 24, 2008, 02:55:05 PM
Got it. Its only in a heavy flip but looks about MS65. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 24, 2008, 04:23:20 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 24, 2008, 10:47:52 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe yours was used to pay for Jenna's lovely nuptials in Crawford ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 25, 2008, 01:37:46 AM
I too am still WAITING!!! How can I stimulate the coin economy until the cash gets here? :'(
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 25, 2008, 01:57:22 AM
You are stimulating the economy by giving the morally bankrupt government a loan.   
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 25, 2008, 11:26:56 PM
Debt of America

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/rosen052508.html
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 26, 2008, 12:48:33 AM
The USA could never go on the gold standard again.  The main handicap for that ever happening is that most people like free money and lots of credit and no discipline.  We need our big arse SUV's and widescreen TV's and voluminous posteriors.   :'(

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 28, 2008, 01:45:04 PM
Had some left over so I added a little and bought this: ;D
(http://)

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on May 28, 2008, 01:49:58 PM


What???? bought what????

The suspence is killing me.

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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 28, 2008, 01:51:05 PM
Part 2   1976 Canadian Centennial $100 --1/4 oz gold  click on to expand
(http://)

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on May 28, 2008, 02:20:32 PM


Nice one......
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 28, 2008, 05:03:11 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 28, 2008, 09:32:55 PM
Had some left over so I added a little and bought this: ;D
(http://)


I know nothing about the american (ebay) market but the .585 purity coin was made in large quantities and walks buy on ebay germany every week not going for melt because the germans want 0.900 or better goldcontent .
If this is also true in America you may consider high gold content bullion coins or the canadian comems which seem to go for melt .

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__Top-Goldmuenze-zu-100-Dollars-Olymp-Spiele-1976-Zert_W0QQitemZ360056214332QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360056214332&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: dharmaeye on May 30, 2008, 10:35:35 AM
Had some left over so I added a little and bought this: ;D
(http://)


I know nothing about the american (ebay) market but the .585 purity coin was made in large quantities and walks buy on ebay germany every week not going for melt because the germans want 0.900 or better goldcontent .
If this is also true in America you may consider high gold content bullion coins or the canadian comems which seem to go for melt .

http://cgi.ebay.de/Munzen_Munzen-Medaillen__Top-Goldmuenze-zu-100-Dollars-Olymp-Spiele-1976-Zert_W0QQitemZ360056214332QQddnZMQc3QbcnzenQQadnZMQc3QbcnzenQ20Q26Q20MedaillenQQddiZ3663QQadiZ4704QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360056214332&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I tend to buy 10% below melt plus it has a hedge of $100 face value.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 30, 2008, 11:51:02 AM

I tend to buy 10% below melt plus it has a hedge of $100 face value.

Like that will ever happen :o  Several years ago when gold dipped under $300 an oz. the RCM issued their bullion coins in $300 denominations and guaranteed that they would pay that much for them.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on May 30, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 30, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
Remember the old proverb:

"Don't put your hand on your bum, might grow there."

Kind of like expecting our elected  leaders to be honest, taint never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on May 30, 2008, 11:29:03 PM

I tend to buy 10% below melt plus it has a hedge of $100 face value.

Like that will ever happen :o  Several years ago when gold dipped under $300 an oz. the RCM issued their bullion coins in $300 denominations and guaranteed that they would pay that much for them.

10% below melt you should be ok , I only buy 0.900 or better because if I ever sell it may well be ebay germany and they want 900 or better

The coin closest to nominal value is the Spanish 400 euro series at 27 grams 0.999
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on May 31, 2008, 12:39:15 AM
I am STILL waiting for the government to stimulate me! Of course my wife says I have it all wrong as the stimulation will be coming in her name and going to her account? :'( I am hoping we get seperate checks so I will at least get to hold mine, sign it, cash it, and then spend it where ever SHE desires! :'(
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on May 31, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
I kind of feel like I already got my 'stimulus package' when I  was finally able to get back on and post with you people. I was tough doing without after all these years....

It is nice having you back, time off the internet does seem too long.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 01, 2008, 10:30:23 AM
Dudes, where's my welfare check?   >:(   

You guys in the gubment need to watch how  Big Ben does things.  Now what would happened if he took this long to spin out some "market sensitive incentives" to save   Bear Stearns!  By God, Capitalism would have run amok over their back sides.  And surely their executives "suffered enough" without that happening. 

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Ben   Bernanke, he's keeping America safe from Capitalism.
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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 01, 2008, 03:12:11 PM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on June 01, 2008, 03:47:48 PM

Looks like you will be waiting a loooooong time!


   :D      ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 02, 2008, 07:14:29 AM
They sent his to the "more" deserving defense contractors. :'(
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 02, 2008, 09:54:33 AM
They sent his to the "more" deserving defense contractors. :'(


I think they're going to send me 60 shares of Bear Stearns.

*******************************************************
Ben Bernanke-- saving wallstreet's
baboon banks --one gaping primate
at a time.
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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 02, 2008, 10:22:35 AM
Want a chunk of Wachovia Bank?  I hear it is appreciating in reverse too.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 02, 2008, 05:56:06 PM
Nah, the "the chee-drins" can have that one too and probably a lot more to follow. Besides I already have a bank balance.  That's  already a chunk of nothing.

But now is cash in the bank more or less of a nothing than a stock spiraling in? And is more of a nothing greater than  less of a nothing or the other way around? This could be next big thing in financial algorithms.  Less nothing > More nothing, unless  N where N=nothing is off loaded to TP where TP=taxpayer in which case MN > LN where TIC gets (BB)X(TICBBSH)  if it  flies long enough  for TIC  to get to Argentina, where TIC=thief in charge,    BB=big bonus and TICBBSH=TIC's big bone for shareholders...before running for the "de plane."   
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on June 02, 2008, 08:52:35 PM
The bookkeepers have found a new one

When a bank has sold OTC 's (that is over the counter crap were home lending and car lending and credit card lending are all wrapped together in a highyielding package and insured which an insurere against default)
Now these OTC's are liabilities and thes liabilities are going down by the minute so the bank is making billions of dollars which it books as revenue
How about that
The more everybody looses the less the liabilities the bigger the gains .

http://www.jsmineset.com/home.asp
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 03, 2008, 11:20:49 AM
Big Ben and some of his cohorts were before the cons in con-gress the other day getting reamed for the liability that they imposed on the taxpayers with the Bear Stearns bail out.  But why is it still a liability?  The story I read was that Morgan Stanly was suppose to pay back the fed in 29 days. I pretty sure it's been more than 29 days since  Bear became a rug. So where's the money?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 04, 2008, 02:14:39 AM
The whole farking house of cards will blow hither in the winds, all it will take is a shock.  Why does the USA not complain about Chinese human rights, or the BS in Myanmar, because the USA cannot all the whilst it holds "detainees" without trial in an unrecognised offshore colonial possession in the Caribbean.  China also holds the cards with the enormous coverage of American debt.  Damnable traitorous politicians sold America to the human rights violators - next they will want to "update" the constitution. 

I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but surely some in our current administration, and some in the previous ones deserve it.  If they had the fear of the people, they would not sell us out. 
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 04, 2008, 09:18:25 PM
                                   "Got rope?"


They're selling us out to anyone with some cash to pay. Even Spain is buying the rights to charge tolls on U.S Highways.  They are not going to be happy until they have Piratized everything, except of course congressional and other  federal employee pensions. The rats are jumping ship, something they typically are not known to do unless it's sinking.

On a completely wild and superstitious tangent maybe the Twin Towers going down was a harbinger of things to come in U.S Finance? The two biggest financial buildings in what is, or maybe was, the financial capitol of the world, crumbled to the ground. There  are people right now speaking of London as the new world capital for finance. The Twin Towers remind me of the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking in the Lake Superior in 1975--carrying 26,000 tons of iron ore. Yeah I know, I'm being superstitious but what direction has  industry gone in the Great Lakes since 1975?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: arthrene on June 04, 2008, 11:00:55 PM
I'm still waiting for the electronic payment  :-\
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 04, 2008, 11:23:24 PM
Yeah I know, I'm being superstitious but what direction has  industry gone in the Great Lakes since 1975?

Industry in the Great Lakes?  All I see are 198 miles of roads that the county commission says it has no money to repair, 166 miles of them are classed as failing.  Emergency services are being cut, because the tax base actually went down, and they re-assessed much of the property around here - down! 

There is discussion of building a huge power plant here, but the environmentalists will shoot that down.  Will the last person out please turn off the lights, if there are any?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 05, 2008, 02:48:03 AM
I remember all the upset after 9/11 and Katrina at dealers selling gas for $5 a gallon.  But after a few months all the agitation died down and nothing happened.  It never does.  I will tell you bluntly, I worked for a major petrol refiner for 7 years back in the late 1980's and early 1990's and they DO create shortages, scuppered refining capacity etc.  When it comes time to call for it, the fingers point everywhere but where they should.  You can blame demand, the government, summer formulas, high sulphur petrol stock, then they like to point out that something like 35% of a price of a gallon of gas is taxes etc.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 05, 2008, 09:24:10 AM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on June 05, 2008, 09:25:11 AM
This is a copy of a post I made on the investment forum I visit hourly

Somebody from one of my NOT internet banks phoned me and said he was my new personel adviser  
He asked to see me in person  
I told him I trusted NO banks and he said our bank was small on a world wide scale
( after all we only lost 6 billion euro sofar said I) and that we should not be worried because if everything went wrong somebody would assimilate us ( seven of eleven would have liked that being ass similated by the borg )
He noticed I only got goldmines and wanted to give his vision  
I told him his bank got mentioned on the front page of my paid investment lettre as giving 4% to anybody below the age of 2    
He toke that in his stride
So I told him politaly to phone me back when his bank gives 4 % net to me  
He said he was NOT prepared for that question  
So tomorrow I will be transferring out a lot of money from his bank to one that is even smaller because he may be right the smaller the safer for the investor  

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 05, 2008, 12:20:42 PM
Seriously what kind of banking insurance do you have in Belgium and the EU?  Here it is $100K per person, per account.  In Britain I believe it is a mere £20K or so.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 05, 2008, 05:41:26 PM

Speculators cannot make a living unless there is a weakness that they can exploit. But the monkeys  in the "news" media  always spin the  effects rather than focus on the  cause.  The weakness (THE CAUSE) that speculators are all to happy to exploit is Ben Bernanke. The fed has flooded the world with cheap liquidity and speculators  are all too happy to borrow the money for a song and speculate with it. Every economic SNAFU has a central bank somewhere as the cause but they are always hailed as the great saviors.

Soros was vilified back in the days when he actually was a Capitalist, for shorting the British Pound, which needed to be taken down to the river and drowned just as the Dollar needs that today.  The media monkeys called him "The man broke the Bank of England" rather than what they  should have called him: The man who successfully threw
Humpty -Dumpty off the wall.

 Bernanke's got whole freaking army of Humpty-Dumpty's. But that's okay. Sooner or later the Visigoths will show up; I hear they like a challenge. 

                              "That which is about to topple
                                should be pushed over."



Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on June 05, 2008, 11:48:44 PM
Seriously what kind of banking insurance do you have in Belgium and the EU?  Here it is $100K per person, per account.  In Britain I believe it is a mere £20K or so.

Ok first the insurance state controlled company is so underfunded it will not survive one medium bank failing IMO
Second Belgium is one of the countries with the lowest insurance of 20 000 Euro per depositor so a husband and wife get 40 000 euro coverage per bank
The situation of electronic shares is not clear since a bank is supposed only to have them on deposit they are supposed to be returned on bankrupcy ; If not it looks like a separate 20 000 Euro insurance comes into play.
All neighbouring countries have better insurance but using a bank outside Belgium has to be declared on the tax income form  ???
PS I think 20 000 is the EU minimum and every country is allowed to do better
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 06, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Do you remember the FedEx commercial from the 80's--"You'll get it."
It was someone who needed some slides for a presentation and the sender used an inferior carrier. The guy is frantic--"I need those slides by Wednesday for presentation"  The other end of the phone lines shows some dreg kicked backed saying "you'll  get it."

"No really, I need those slides by Wednesday for a presentation."

"You'll get it."

"I'll get fired if those aren't here by Wednesday."

"You'll get it."

It ends with the former frantic caller making  shadow butterflies on the screen to a room full of executives.

FedEx used to have some of the  funniest commercials. 

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 06, 2008, 01:48:15 PM
I think I remember the commercial.

I'm sure my package will arrive -- someday.

I've been wanting that album for months, so a few more days don't really matter.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 18, 2008, 05:49:16 AM
Still waiting!!

However, I received a letter today stating that if I don't get a check in the next six weeks I should contact the IRS.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 18, 2008, 08:14:06 AM
Now how stupid is that? Why didn't they SAVE the government some money and put the darn check in that envelope. I got news for you! There will be another letter telling you, about the week before, that they will be sending you the check the following week!  :o Even at bulk rate the idiots at the IRS are spending around a buck per person to tell you the check is in the mail and then sending out another letter telling you what to do if you don't get it? How many MILLIONS will they spend on this stupidity? They sure wouldn' want me to take over as I would clean this huge cesspool like its never been cleaned before. Also would eliminate income tax in favor of a national sales tax so the RICH couldn't get out of paying taxes. They would have to anny up ever time they blew the mold of off their wallets! And, last but not least, at least YOU got a letter!!! I still have NOT been stimulated!!! ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 18, 2008, 09:06:22 AM
I got my grandmother's cheque in the post yesterday, thanks to the government for reminding me again that she died two months ago.  A couple of months ago she got a letter that she didn't qualify for the cheque, now that she is gone, I guess she does.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 18, 2008, 05:07:29 PM
Twoshadows,

I thought of the same thing.  What a waste of postage, and manpower.

Also, I agree completely about the need for a flat tax of some sort.  It won't happen in my lifetime unfortunately.  Just think how many people it would put out of business.  You don't need a book to spell out the tax code.  Just a paragraph.  Everybody pays 10 percent.

Just won't fly in Washington D.C. I guess.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Goose on June 19, 2008, 04:56:18 AM
Taxes are what one HAS to pay without volunteering. Last yr my taxes were around 40% of my income. This yr it will be close to 76% of my income due to a "special" assesment on my property.

"The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest amount of hissing." Jean-Baptiste Colbert --Treasurer to Louis XIV

And so it goes....8 taxes on my phone bill, 7 taxes on my electric bill, 5 taxes on my water bill, and the new and increased taxes continue! How about an "Agricultural" tax on a plane ticket, or a "Well Abandoment" tax on my water bill (who owns the land?), or a "Resource Adjustment Tax" on a few of my bills? Yes, I vote my wallet, and NO incumbent ( or main Pres. candidates) will get my vote come November. Just remember....Politicians will do what they want, when they want, and how they want to do it, with little reguard for the populace.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 19, 2008, 05:32:42 AM
Don't you love how we smoothly exchanged one form of tax for another, ie the American Revolution.  Next they will want to tax you when you piss. :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 19, 2008, 08:31:20 AM
Scottishmoney I heard they were discussing just that right now, only behind closed doors, and they are going to call it a "European" tax only we will spell it "Yourapee'in" Tax. Most Americans won't even notice, they will just pay it. Won't be long after when the "Poop" Tax arrives. Can't win for loosing! ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 19, 2008, 04:33:11 PM
Boy. would I love to see a flat tax or a fair tax in my lifetime.

Not gonna happen, but I'd love it.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 21, 2008, 01:54:18 PM
It's so sad that Hillary dropped out. I was really looking forward to a  $10 a pack cigarette  tax.  After all,  it's  for the  chee-drins. 

But there's always the global carbon tax. Terms such as "carbon foot prints,"  "carbon off-sets,"  and "global warming" (now called climate change so they can be right even with an ice age) are the sounds of sheep shears being sharpened.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Goose on June 21, 2008, 02:36:59 PM
I have always known that this global warming 'thing' will be the greatest portal for increasing and new taxation we have ever known.

Now for my prediction that will turn out to be 100% accurate. In my lifetime (I'm getting up there), the southwest U S A will go to court to try to get permission to tap into the Great Lakes water system. All of the 8 Great Lakes states have laws in effect that will prevent this. But surely, some insipid little federal judge (no doubt from the California 9th distric) will rule that "The Great Lakes belong to the whole U S! Permission granted!"
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 21, 2008, 02:47:37 PM
Any time the "do-gooders" start talking about the children I know I am getting the screws put to me. Its all about the rich getting richer and the powerful retaining their power. Everything else is a smoke screen. If they really cared about the children they would be shutting down the milk industry, not the tobacco industry. The 8 major industrialized nations in the world (other than us) have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, homogenized and pasturized milk is the single greatest cancer causing product in use in the U.S.A.  We are the only country in the world with cancer clinics for children WHO DON"T SMOKE and the masses (lead by the do-gooders for the sake of our children)  aren't bright enough to figure that out? An idiot who is not afraid to speak up can lead educated gullable fools down a path to ruin and steal their wallets on the way.
 Longnine I can tell you one thing, if Obama takes Hillary as a running mate he will be sealing his own fate in many ways. Given the choice between Hillary and a dead horse, well I would vote for the dead horse as I would know exactly what I am getting. Obama needs to understand thousands upon thousands of Demorcrats voted for HIM in an effort to get rid of her. If he picks her as a running mate most of them will vote Republican or not vote at all! Now she intends to campaign with Obama? How big a fool can one man be? Get her out of the picture and go on with the election as she will drag him down.

Goose,  The powers that be, governments and religion create constant diversions to keep the average individual thinking about every thing except the REAL truths. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know the attention span of the average voter and taxpayer. After a few days they settle down and accept that which threw them into turmoil and look for the next big issue to come along. Try and find the movie "Wag the Dog" if you can. I think most of them were PULLED of the shelves as they were too true to real life for those in power so they disappeared from most stores and movie rental outlets. One thing the big guys got is control of the media so they can pretty much manipulate whatever they please and, if need be, discredit the real truth at their discreation. They do it every day!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 12:27:20 AM

As vice president, you are only one shot away from the presidency! It's happened before and it could happen again. By the way, who was it they found out on the south lawn when her hubby Bill was president?  Died by gun shot if I remember right, but no one heard the shot. Very interesting!

Vince Foster
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 22, 2008, 02:19:21 AM
When you get to that level of power ANYTHING is possible. There would be NOTHING worse than having a VP that wanted your job worse than you did!!! If such a selection should take place, with the upcoming selection, I wouldn't expect to be in office more than 11 or 12 months before coming down with some SUDDEN ailement! There are a lot of nuts in the world who would do anything for "imagined" fame and to put their name in the history books forever! Chose wisely would be my suggestions to whomever gets the nominations for both parties. Then we Americans can vote for the rich crook of our choice!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 04:13:52 AM
When you get to that level of power ANYTHING is possible. There would be NOTHING worse than having a VP that wanted your job worse than you did!!! If such a selection should take place, with the upcoming selection, I wouldn't expect to be in office more than 11 or 12 months before coming down with some SUDDEN ailement! There are a lot of nuts in the world who would do anything for "imagined" fame and to put their name in the history books forever! Chose wisely would be my suggestions to whomever gets the nominations for both parties. Then we Americans can vote for the rich crook of our choice!

We have had probably two presidents that didn't make a career of being lying bastards, Ford and Carter.  The rest of them, liberal, conservative, democr@p and republicr@p, they all lie lie lie.  Carter's downfall was his honesty about his incapacity to run the country.

And thinking of nuts that could go off, Cheney is Dr. Scary.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 22, 2008, 10:15:12 AM

 "We the People" are our own biggest enemy.  If we didn't insist on something for nothing or off-loading losses from our own screw-ups to someone else (a really popular theme these days) we wouldn't get the politicians we get. As a nation we get these pig-bags  because it's what we deserve to get--stale cakes and  circuses.

*********************************
"It is not materialism that is the chief curse
of the world, as pastors teach, but idealism.
Men get into trouble by taking their visions
and hallucinations too seriously."
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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 11:38:02 AM
Having travelled to Eastern Europe where democracy is emerging, you can see the people genuinely appreciate what they have.  I do not think Americans do.  If it were not for my wife, we would very happily live very well on the Black Sea coast in Ukraine, one of the most beautiful places in the world, blessed with great summers, and beautiful scenery.  And a government that has much unrest, but things slowly surely getting better.  When we return in October I expect to see many changes from my last time there.  I wish I could say the same for America since we have been here.

Besides with a Prime Minister that looks like her, how can things possibly go wrong:

(http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/4915-786333.jpg)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 22, 2008, 01:20:09 PM
Did she play in Star Wars? Doesn't matter, she's no match for Bobby Obama Kennedy.  ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 22, 2008, 01:20:26 PM
Oh MY!!! I do believe she has my VOTE!!! Now all I need is her name and address??? How do I get her into coin collecting? Thats a pen pal I could live with!!! ;D

One thing is for certain the RIGHT Ladies could do NO worse than some of the rich crooks we have had in the last 50 years. As a matter of fact maybe the world would be better off if we turned it over to the ladies? (I know this will draw some reaction)  Just as long as they are not the current bunch being offered up in the U.S.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 01:21:16 PM
Did she play in Star Wars? Doesn't matter, she's no match for Bobby Obama Kennedy.  ;D

That is what Hillary said just before June 6th, the 40th anniversary of Bobby Kennedy's assassination.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 22, 2008, 01:22:26 PM
I have always known that this global warming 'thing' will be the greatest portal for increasing and new taxation we have ever known.

Now for my prediction that will turn out to be 100% accurate. In my lifetime (I'm getting up there), the southwest U S A will go to court to try to get permission to tap into the Great Lakes water system. All of the 8 Great Lakes states have laws in effect that will prevent this. But surely, some insipid little federal judge (no doubt from the California 9th distric) will rule that "The Great Lakes belong to the whole U S! Permission granted!"



They might find out that one of the states already sold the Great Lakes to Spain.  :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 01:22:38 PM
Oh MY!!! I do believe she has my VOTE!!! Now all I need is her name and address??? How do I get her into coin collecting? Thats a pen pal I could live with!!! ;D

Yulia Tymoshenko ~ Prime Minister of Ukraine (http://www.tymoshenko.com.ua/eng/)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 22, 2008, 01:24:54 PM
You don't know how tempted I am to write his lady a nice letter! Just to see if I get a response! That would most definitely be a collector item and a keeper! I will keep you posted on this one!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 22, 2008, 01:29:08 PM
Is the Ukraine the country that's sitting on an ocean of natural gas? No wonder she's smiling.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 22, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
Is the Ukraine the country that's sitting on an ocean of natural gas? No wonder she's smiling.

I wish.  Ukraine is the country that had it's gas shut off in the middle of winter a couple of years ago, by Russia.  Russia doesn't like any former USSR country that wants democracy and westernization. So Russia does whatever they can to be jerks.  Also do the same with Georgia and the Baltic States of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 22, 2008, 02:14:44 PM
Then she must be smiling because Terry is going to write her letter.  ;D
She probably will write back.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 23, 2008, 05:58:20 AM
She sure is a hell of a lot better looking than Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, etc.  And she is a determined and powerful force for democracy in Ukraine. 
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 23, 2008, 06:26:17 AM
Still waiting!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 23, 2008, 07:20:40 AM
Spoke too soon.

Just checked the mail, and the stimulus package check was there.

Wish I could buy coins with it, but too many other things to use it for, my half at least.

Well, it finally made it!!

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 23, 2008, 07:41:02 AM
Try not to spend it all in one place :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 23, 2008, 08:16:36 AM
The ONLY thing I have received that is stimulating is the conversation in this thread and the photo Scottishmoney provided of the Prime Minister of Ukraine!  ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 23, 2008, 08:45:07 AM
The ONLY thing I have received that is stimulating is the conversation in this thread and the photo Scottishmoney provided of the Prime Minister of Ukraine!  ;D

Ain't she a looker?  And I get to go to Ukraine either at the end of August or in October.   ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on June 23, 2008, 10:34:23 AM

Don't spend it to soon Gary......I have heard on the grapevine that another letter is on the way to you asking you to return it...... ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 23, 2008, 02:19:15 PM
She sure is a hell of a lot better looking than Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, etc.  And she is a determined and powerful force for democracy in Ukraine. 


Gee, a  Ferengi is better looking than Hillary Clinton.  :o  Oh yeah, I didn't get my stimulus check today but I did get a letter from the Social Security Administration telling me all about the benefits I'll get when I'm 65.

Yeah right!

                                      "You'll get it."

                     "I'm sending it over now Khan. And now Mister  Zulu."
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 23, 2008, 05:24:33 PM
Speaking of Social Security, thank goodness we don't have to live on that.

As teachers, my wife and I get PERA (Public Employees Retirment Association) retirement payments.  Probably twice what SS would pay.  I remember two occasions, many years ago, where there was a push for SS to take over PERA.  We fought it, and we won.

I do get SS also.  But, due to a "windfall profit" provision I only get a fraction of what I should get.  I worked two jobs all my adult life, but the Government figures I should get full retirement benefits from only one.

Since the age of 62, I have been getting about $500 a month from Social Security.  I sure won't turn it down, but the "windfall" provision makes me ill.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
I don't see any point into paying into SS, when it won't even exist when I can retire at age 70.  I am not even confident that there will be a viable US government then. :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
The retirement age for post baby boomers was graduated up from 65, on up over a phase of years.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 03:58:53 AM
The retirement age for post baby boomers was graduated up from 65, on up over a phase of years.

You are quite right, but it don't go all the way to 70 years of age for retirement. I believe it says that if you were born after Jan 1, 1960, your retirement age would be 67 years old.
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/ssa.cfg/php

Surely the government hopes nobody makes it to that old anymore, that is why they are filling us up with high fructose corn syrup, caffeine, and cigarettes. :o  Too many people are living to be too old, well for the social security system.  And the government ain't going to be able to take care of them all, gees, it cannot even take care of itself.  We cannot have purges, gulags, etc. and natural disasters don't kill off enough people, so we'll let them kill themselves slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on June 24, 2008, 08:28:31 AM
After all these years Scottishmoney has given me the answer as to why the Federal Government and the American Medical Association has NOT banned homogenized and pasurerized milk in the U.S. They know, without a doubt of the danger, but fail to act on this single greatest cancer causing agent sold across the counter to any aged individual in the country. Even though our children are the first to be affected it is GREAT for research monies, donations and the medical industry. And, eventually he funeral industry! :'(
Never dawned on me folks just aren't dying fast enough to suit the government! Probably more truth to that than we will ever know!!! :o
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 08:34:20 AM
How about encouraging beverage manufacturers to replace regular sugar with high fructose corn syrup by extending tax breaks for using it?  Pepsi every once in awhile comes out with limited edition cola with regular Louisiana cane sugar in it, and believe me, it tastes better.  HFCS is not good for you, and is largely blamed for the obesity epidemic in the USA.  HFCS doesn't affect me, since I rarely drink those beverages, preferring mostly tea, and plain old water.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 01:54:07 PM

Just in case you'r right, I'm going to do my best to keep them mad as hell!  :) ;) :D ;D ::)

 :D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on June 24, 2008, 02:28:30 PM
I didn't get my stimulus check today but I did get CoinWorld and it looks like the Post office only fondled it for a week or so  before delivering it. So maybe things are looking up.

"...Will you still need me, will you still feed me
When I'm sixty-four?
Ho!"

Beatles
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 24, 2008, 11:16:17 PM
It is not an official fondling until it has coffee cup rings and creases in the pages.  That is why I cancelled National Geographic before they started putting them in plastic wrap, because I would get it sometimes weeks later than I should have, with coffee cup rings, creased pages, even the advert cards pulled out:)  How nice of them.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on June 25, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
Speaking of the post office, here's a new one -- at least for me.

Went out to the mailbox today and found a brown PO envelope stating I owe 42 cents.  Why?  Well, a neighbor came by and left a small envelope in the box, containing an invitation.

Our letter carrier decided that we owed 42 cents.  After all, the invitation did reside in the mailbox for a few hours.

Normally I would just pay it and forget it, but not this time.  They'll have to wring their 42 cents out of my clinched fingers.

What a bunch of baloney.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on June 25, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
Speaking of the post office, here's a new one -- at least for me.

Went out to the mailbox today and found a brown PO envelope stating I owe 42 cents.  Why?  Well, a neighbor came by and left a small envelope in the box, containing an invitation.

Our letter carrier decided that we owed 42 cents.  After all, the invitation did reside in the mailbox for a few hours.

Normally I would just pay it and forget it, but not this time.  They'll have to wring their 42 cents out of my clinched fingers.

What a bunch of baloney.

 :) :) :) :)

What really amazes me about that story is that they did not waste $23.45 of salary time writing up a slip of paper which you had to spend some $4.00 for gas to drive to the post orafice for, to bail the invitation out of postal jail.  At least your postie trusts you, I got a slip at the PO box saying I had something with something like 10¢ due or something ridiculous, what a waste of time.  I could see if it were several dollars, but we are talking pennies here.

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 07, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
I found out last week that my stimulus check will be mailed out on July 11 and that I'm last on the list. Well if I'm last on the list then that means the party is almost over. So, what happened to the "stimulus?"  Is this some variation  of  monkey piss from above--("trickle down affect")  ??

I went into 7-Eleven this morning and they were selling Gator Aide two quarts for $3--in florida in July! Doesn't sound like a good sign for the construction industry to me.

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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on July 07, 2008, 08:36:34 AM
Well we celebrated the 4th of July weekend with our "check" and made every effort to prop up the U.S. economy! Yup, got new mattress, box springs for me and mommy and a new bed and mattress for the little guy. (Took hours to put the darn thing together) And, of course, a few dollars HAD to go to our coin dealer as he needs a living too!!! ;D So now I am back to broke but sleeping like a million bucks! ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 07, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
Your not going to believe this but two hours after I made the last post, the mail man showed up with the check and another letter saying the check had been mailed and I should receive by the 11th of July. And if I had not received it with in six weeks from the 11th I should contact them. I bet JP Morgan doesn't have to wait 6 weeks.

Oh yeah on the matter of weeks, and JP Morgan, it's been more than 29 days since the two plants "crafted"  a  30 billion dollar loan for Morgan  to buy Bear. Have they paid that back? Or will another wallstreet loss be socialized while their profits are privatized?

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"Are you on that two plus two must equal four kick again Mr. Data?"
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Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 07, 2008, 11:09:28 PM
Your not going to believe this but two hours after I made the last post, the mail man showed up with the check and another letter saying the check had been mailed and I should receive by the 11th of July. And if I had not received it with in six weeks from the 11th I should contact them. I bet JP Morgan doesn't have to wait 6 weeks.

Oh yeah on the matter of weeks, and JP Morgan, it's been more than 29 days since the two plants "crafted"  a  30 billion dollar loan for Morgan  to buy Bear. Have they paid that back? Or will another wallstreet loss be socialized while their profits are privatized?

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"Mr. Fed Chairman,  I believe I can re-configure your hallucinations into a viable economy, grounded in intelligent economic principles."

"Are you on that two plus two must equal four kick again Mr. Data?"
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Did you not know all those loans are permanent rollovers every 30 days ?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 07, 2008, 11:32:06 PM
I don't see any point into paying into SS, when it won't even exist when I can retire at age 70.  I am not even confident that there will be a viable US government then. :o

well I am one of the last belgians that retired at 60 now it is 65 . And since I do not trust anybody I got my extralegal pension out of the american multinational and out of my bank and now I am holding it in clenched fists . I also got the english multinational pension out of the bank since getting them convicted by court in 2003 I allready got it out of their hands and into a government bank and now into my greedy little hands .

I read the book and just got the film Logan's Run . It is about a little paradise world that is kept a paradise by eleminating everybody at the age of 30 and it was filmed allready in 1976 . Nowadays it would not be a Science fiction film but a drama  ???
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 08, 2008, 12:07:10 AM



I read the book and just got the film Logan's Run . It is about a little paradise world that is kept a paradise by eleminating everybody at the age of 30 and it was filmed allready in 1976 . Nowadays it would not be a Science fiction film but a drama  ???


They should have called Logan's Run FEMA camp. Americans will connect the dots some day--when they're in one and it's owned by china.  ???

There was a  3rd party nut-job back in the 60's  who wasn't happy about all the water that comprised humans. Wonder what he had in mind?  Voters  were slightly saner back then so  he only got  about 15 votes.

So who's up for some Soilant Green?
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 08, 2008, 01:22:17 AM
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So who's up for some Soilant Green?

Mmmm I saw the film three times courtesy of belgian crapvision
Recycling humans may not be too far in the future with all those food shortages  ::)
I would prefer that over genetically manipulated crap ( Don't tell anybody I said that since I worked for a sistercompany for 23 years  ???

Anyways if you see they feed chickens illigally recycled transformator oil containing PCB's or fat from french frie makers and then feed the bones of those chickens to cows and then make the cows into cosmetics and meat (or is it the other way around ) and feed their bones to other cows etc and add Zincoxyde to keep them healthy and inject Bovine Somatropine to get more milk out of them ( whoops another sister company) and because of this they have increased mastitis and need antibiotics the residue of which we drink with our milk etc
And our consumer organisation advised not to eat fish more then twice a weak because of the mercury etc

I will stick to french cognac much safer  ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 08, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Yeah they torture  smokers  and gun owners while everything that you eat, drink or breath will kill you too. Assuming of course that the state that's shaking you down for "protection" money doesn't kill  you  first.

I found the article.  It's in the NUMISMATIST Nov/2004 by Ed Rochette

The candidate's name was Emil Matalik. You think they had it bad in Logan's Run? This is what Emil though about married couples:  "...They would be limited to two children, after which the fathers would have to submit to compulsory castration!"

There's quite a few link on this joker. Pick one if need a good laugh.

Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on July 08, 2008, 04:38:46 AM
If you want to see "an oldie but a goodie," try the movie "Parallax View."

I was in college (shows how old it was), and I couldn't stop thinking about it, or such a possibility.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 08, 2008, 05:20:55 AM
If you want to see "an oldie but a goodie," try the movie "Parallax View."

I was in college (shows how old it was), and I couldn't stop thinking about it, or such a possibility.

 :) :) :) :)

I don't remember that one . If it is available I will give it a try .
But last week I got a movie I have seen a few times A Clockwork Orange from Stanley Kubrick .I would have sworn that in the original version they burned the old drunk here they just beat him up . The oldest film I got is a black and white High Noon with Grace Kelly . This is the first film ever made that was synchronous that is movie time was the same as real time .
Last week I also got Omega man about the last man on earth after a war between Russia and China
and I have the Ultimate Warrior waiting with Yul Brynner . I like Sci Fi  ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on July 08, 2008, 08:19:11 AM
I think, sooner or later, the whole world is going to find out about the huge pack of lies we have been fed all our lives. It won't be volunteered information from governments or religion but it will be brought on by unprecedented events world wide. The ruling rich will finally be in deep poo-poo and most of the science fiction movies we have watched will not be so far fetched when that time comes. If we all can just live long enough I think we will see things the government cannot cover up and religion will be at a loss for words!!! Its just a shame so many fools think the government can and will take care of them when hard times erupt! Nothing is free and thinking UNCLE Sam will help you out is a scary thought. I was always told, when it comes to money, leave the relatives OUT of it. Sorry Uncle Sam!!! ;D

Hey Longnine maybe we had better put up some blackberry preserves or something like that? Black market food will bring around $400 a jar. And even in the movie EVERYTHING was better than Soilent Green!!!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on July 08, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
It won't be volunteered information from governments or religion but it will be brought on by unprecedented events world wide.

As a formerly religious, but still spiritual person, I believe that religions have caused more overall suffering, malevolent, and murderous behaviours than any other factor in all of human existence. 

Many governments, including that of the USA, are merely tools for their dominant or not dominant but enemy religions.  Gees, even formerly Soviet Russia is beholden to the Russian Orthodox church, the government once more minds the clerics.  Meanwhile the USAsians are losing their freedoms because of Islamic fanatics, practising terrorism and stirring up popular activities such as the so referred to "Patriot Act" but would should be unconstitutional as a contravention of many of the Bill of Rights, and Amendments.
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 08, 2008, 03:29:44 PM

Hey Longnine maybe we had better put up some blackberry preserves or something like that? Black market food will bring around $400 a jar. And even in the movie EVERYTHING was better than Soilent Green!!!


IMO, black markets in America will be a  slam-dunk, when everyone's job is out-sourced to some guy in Vietnam who works for rice.  Or some prisoner in china who works to keep his organs from being harvested.

What's going to keep people tethered to the system when the CEO just stole what's left of their 101k pension and they are told they have to work until they are 85 to get social security. 

Even public school grads can figure out they are the  marks in the National Debt poker game.  Assuming that they survive the great boogie-man chase in Iraq  long enough to become  marks in anyone's poker game.

The biggest threat to the elites and status quo are people who question authority, are rebellious, independent, reactionary, contrarian, and sneer at herd behavior.   But now doesn't satan have those same traits? Maybe the big picture to keep  elites in power will be to stigmatize anyone who questions "their right" to rule as a satanist  "evil-doer-ers" (trying to spell it the same way DuhYa would without Laura to check his spelling) and turn religion against them?

I'd hoard 9mm bullets except Waco proved that's not a good idea in the land of "Liberty." Besides silver is easier to store,  doesn't spoil and if need be can be hidden down at the rail road tracks. Let's see them find the stash with a metal detector then.  Mental note: Don't let the MD20/20 crowd see me burying something.

Japan thought the same way in the 80's as we do now and they have been in a recession for close to 20 years.  Is there something that makes us smarter then them? Can't be our central bankers. I hear Ben is going to work now to clean up fraudulent lending practices in the mortgage industry. Geee Ben, a bit behind the curve aren't we? 

 

                             
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: CoinCrusader42 on July 08, 2008, 05:40:45 PM
High Noon was a great Western.

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is another fine oldie.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Humpybong on July 08, 2008, 06:00:45 PM


I agree with you there...both great westerns.

I will also add  "The Alamo" with John Wayne
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 08, 2008, 08:39:18 PM

I agree with you there...both great westerns.

I will also add  "The Alamo" with John Wayne

I got all three
I also got the Searchers 1956 with John Wayne and Bedazzled 1967  with Raquel Welsh and of course The good the Bad and the Ugly of 1966 and Red Sun 1971 with Ursula Andress and one you probably don't know Viva Maria 1965 with Brigitte Bardot fighting the mexican revolution with Jeanne Moreau
I trolled a dozen sites with the 100 top movies of all times
Sofar I only got one I cannot find and that is Rio Conchos 1964

For the moment I am on a more mundane expedition getting Fame 1982 the 1st season of the TV sequels since I got the film with Maria Carey allready .
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 08, 2008, 08:46:57 PM
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As a formerly religious, but still spiritual person, I believe that religions have caused more overall suffering, malevolent, and murderous behaviours than any other factor in all of human existence. 

I went thru catholic school with 3 hours a week of religion spoonfed and obligatory mass on wednesday mornings before school and sundays and then catholic univ with deontology and philosophy and others ending in y

But it is only afterwards I red about the Children Crusade and the Killing them all including woman and children of the Albegensis at Mt Ségur and then we have more recently the pope who rented a boat to ship nazis to south america 1945. The church really aims to please and now they got a pope that started out in the Hitler Jugend .
Oh I seem to forget the great Inquisition , what a nice way to get rid of the people you dislike 
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: TwoShadows on July 08, 2008, 09:30:58 PM
It is good to see I am NOT alone in my thought process. Untold millions have died at the hands of religon and it continues today. I have said most of my life that "organized" movements are about having self appointed leaders, money and corruption. I am very spiritual person who finds it amazing that anyone, in this day and age, would PAY another man or woman to help them find their way into heaven?  :o  The human species is indeed a strange one and in many ways resemble a herd of sheep. Most don't want to lead but are willing to follow. Nothing is more dangerous than a fool who is not afraid to speak up in front of a crowd. As I have said many times before, "The masses claim they want to hear the truth but what they really want is to hear that which they perceive as truth. The real truth would scare the living daylights out of most people." Sooner or later the world is going to have to pay the piper and those who have lived their false dreams in politics and religion are going to be shocked into disbelief when truth comes riding in. Reality is not what it seems.

Longnine the governments and religions of the world have been using the word "radical" for years until Bush invented "evil doers". None the less the message is the same and the media tends to bow towards their masters (and owners) when it comes to printing or providing the truth. Guess we will all be classed as those coin collecting RADICALS when they come a knocking won't we? ;D
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on July 08, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
"Religion is the opiate of the masses"  Vladimir Lenin

Unfortunately the commies quickly decided to become god, and screw everything up just the same.

I wonder if you would get arrested in the Vatican if you yelled out Heil Papa!
Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: longnine009 on July 09, 2008, 01:27:36 AM
Guess we will all be classed as those coin collecting RADICALS when they come a knocking won't we? ;D

With all these trojans on my computer I'm surprised I'm not down at Guantanamo by the sea right now having my finger nails manicured with a pair a of vise grips. If they come for me, I don't care. I'd rather be dead then live in world with a bunch of scarred rabbits living on fear & worry rations.  Terrorists are not the biggest threat to the United States. They are a threat, but no more than they always were. The biggest threat are the Bilderbergs, and Religion both of whom are join at the hip with the "Patriot Act."

I agree entirely with your thoughts on reality.  Don't you just love to hear people talking about "my reality" or "the reality is" ? Like they have a 99 year lease on it or something? Reality exists independent of our fantasies and will do and be whatever it is  that it's suppose to do or be whether that happens to be agreeable to  us or not.

Religion doesn't teach reality, it blocks it. When religion decides  what is "evil" and then tells people not to be  "evil" people then separate themselves from part of themselves. And the worse part is they don't escape from their dark side  at all, they only see it  now in other people and things.  The proverbial "when you point your finger at someone you have three fingers pointing at yourself."  It's also THE SOURCE OF ALL CONFLICTS GREAT OR SMALL.  But somehow by splitting ourselves in two we are going to perceive reality "more betteror"? Yeah right, what kind of crack are they smoking?  Religion does have one thing right. "The end is near" if this country doesn't snap out of it. 


Title: Re: Our "Stimulus Package" Check
Post by: scottishmoney on July 09, 2008, 05:02:20 AM
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As a formerly religious, but still spiritual person, I believe that religions have caused more overall suffering, malevolent, and murderous behaviours than any other factor in all of human existence. 

I went thru catholic school with 3 hours a week of religion spoonfed and obligatory mass on wednesday mornings before school and sundays and then catholic univ with deontology and philosophy and others ending in y

But it is only afterwards I red about the Children Crusade and the Killing them all including woman and children of the Albegensis at Mt Ségur and then we have more recently the pope who rented a boat to ship nazis to south america 1945. The church really aims to please and now they got a pope that started out in the Hitler Jugend .
Oh I seem to forget the great Inquisition , what a nice way to get rid of the people you dislike 

My family was Catholic growing up, my siblings all went through Catholic education, on up through High School.  I never went to the Catholic Primary school like the rest, and when High School came up, I shot down my pre-admission interview by claiming myself as an avowed Socialist, and that I advocated overthrow of the government by force if necessary. :o  Afterwards I regretted doing that, damn they had some gorgeous girls in the school across the street, and many of the classes were co-ed by then.

So back to the siblings.  As noted all went through good Catholic schools, non of them ever married, a couple of them have never worked, a couple have children out of marriage, and none went to church ever again.  And one of them lost his life due to his poor life's decisions.

As for me, I have been successful financially, have been married over 12 years, have kids in wedlock and still believe in a spiritual force, just not the Catholic one.  So going back to that pre-admission interview, thank you Higher Power, I missed out on the young virgins in the girls school across the street, but in life ever afterwards I have succeeded.
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Post by: ElleKitty on July 09, 2008, 06:16:14 AM
Scottish, you got to look at them, albeit from across the street.  They were probably a lot prettier from over there than they would have been had you been up close and personal with them.

The Grass is Always Greener.  ;D
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Post by: scottishmoney on July 09, 2008, 06:17:56 AM
Actually I dated one of them when I was in my first year of college, and promptly dumped her after 2-3 dates. ;D
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Post by: TKO on July 09, 2008, 09:26:28 AM
Our worst enemys live among us. They are wealthy and they care less about anything else, especially those of us who they prey upon that fill their tills and coffers.
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Post by: scottishmoney on July 09, 2008, 09:50:44 AM
The corporate Titans, and their political puppets in Washington are our worst enemies.  If you want the real power in the USA, it is Halliburton, Blackwater, Exxon-Mobil etc.
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Post by: CoinCrusader42 on July 09, 2008, 10:43:40 AM
One small addition to the movie topic.

Maybe my sense of humor is unique, but one of the funniest Westerns I ever watched is named "Rustler's Rhapsody."  If it doesn't make you laugh, I don't know what will.

It's one of the few moves I could watch over, and over, and over, and over...

 :D :D :D :D
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Post by: longnine009 on July 09, 2008, 02:34:58 PM
The corporate Titans, and their political puppets in Washington are our worst enemies.  If you want the real power in the USA, it is Halliburton, Blackwater, Exxon-Mobil etc.

I thought it was Hail-Burton?

Things might start to get a bit interesting in the middle east now with Iran's latest missile test. I really don't think Israel is going to sit around waiting to  be "annihilated." I don't think they are going to put a lot of faith in bush promises either. What's he going to fight Iran with--Erik the Prince and his Blackwater thugs? And since the Arab countries never sold Israel oil in the first place I can't think of any reason why they might care if oil wells in the middle east are glowing in the dark.

But  China might care since they have large purchasing contracts with Iran. And 1.3 trillion in U.S wallpaper that they can dump on the market if they are displeased about something.

It's stuff like this that makes me wish I had 10,000 ounces of silver.  :(
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Post by: longnine009 on July 09, 2008, 02:49:05 PM
One small addition to the movie topic.

Maybe my sense of humor is unique, but one of the funniest Westerns I ever watched is named "Rustler's Rhapsody."  If it doesn't make you laugh, I don't know what will.

It's one of the few moves I could watch over, and over, and over, and over...

 :D :D :D :D

Don't forget  Blazing Saddles. I always thought that  was the classic comedy western.   ;D  Also liked  Cat Balou--Lee Marvin and Jane Fonda before she became a traitor. And  The  Duchess and the Dirtwater Fox--George Segal and Goldie Hawn
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Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 09, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
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Don't forget  Blazing Saddles. I always thought that  was the classic comedy western.     Also liked  Cat Balou--Lee Marvin and Jane Fonda before she became a traitor. And  The  Duchess and the Dirtwater Fox--George Segal and Goldie Hawn

Thanks for the info
I saw Cat Balou three times on TV but could not remember the name . I absolutely have to get that one .

The others I saw except I cannot remember Rustlers Rhapsody allthough Belgian TV bought and broadcasted all the American westerns I can think off . I just got the Day of the Triffids by Wyndham film and TV series

Oh by the way ; I married a catholic girl in 1971 and am still married to her . They are so used to church authority you only have to train them to live up to their vows  8)
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Post by: TKO on July 11, 2008, 10:07:55 AM
The greatest western of all times was Blazing Saddles by Mel Brooks.

The scene where Slim Pickens said, " Allright boys lets go into town and Rape the women, steel the horses and kill the men.....And for God's sake let's get it right this time." Has to be the funniest one liner I've ever seen on the silver screen.
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Post by: CoinCrusader42 on July 11, 2008, 12:08:56 PM
I loved Blazing Saddles and Rustlers' Rhapsody, but Rustlers' Rharsody remains my favorite.

 :) :) :) :)

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Post by: Paint Your Wagon on July 11, 2008, 11:40:49 PM
Looks like I will have to get those two
I got 25 films the past 25 days . Currently looking at the disgusting Magdalene Sisters 2002 or how vicious money counting nons can get  ???
It looks like a female version of good ole Oliver twist musical which I like a lot
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Post by: TwoShadows on July 12, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
Well I went back to the coin shop AGAIN today and then loaded up with TKO for a trip to a hobby shop! I should have stayed home on both trips!!! Brought some unc. Morgans home for both my wife and I and yes I found homeless buffalos there as well. And the hobby shop pretty much cleaned both TKO and myself out for the week. Now if the thunderstorms and flood warnings will DISAPPEAR again we can return to the sky so I can further my training in crashing a remote control plane. I am really good at that aspect of the routine!

You know I saw planes today that will travel over 80 miles per hour! :o I am not sure I could think faster than the plane was moving? Probably be a real short flight!!! ::)